Meatpacking: The Dangerous Reality for Workers

[somy]

Dear vegeterians,
Do you eat egg?!

 

[tribdog]

forget eggs, what about Jello? Are vegetarians allowed to eat Jello?

 

[Echo 6 Sierra]

mmmmmmmmmm, Jello...we likes it red and wiggling!

 

[Monique]

Dear vegeterians,
Do you eat egg?!

There are different classes of eggs, chicken that wander around free in a field, those that have a stick and some sand in their cage and those that have to sit on steel bars all day without the ability to move their butt.

Which eggs do you buy?

I get mine from chicken that walk around freely.

 

[brewnog]

Which eggs do you buy?

Barn eggs! Ickle chicky wickies get to choose between pecking indoors or outdoors! That way, they're happier little chappies so when you slaughter them they taste nicer.

 

[Les Sleeth]

One question that always comes up for vegetarians, especially vegans (no dairy) is how they get their protein. One method is called food combining, which is essentially to combine two incomplete "complementary" proteins which together add up to the eight essential amino acids. The general rule is, any whole grain with any bean or legume forms a complete protein. So a peanutbutter sandwich would be complete, as would beans and rice, split pea or lentil soup with a grain, pita bread with hummus, baked tofu sandwich, etc.

Something I found out about was a company which makes bread from 100% sprouts (instead of flour). It is very similar to flour bread, but much easier to digest. Several versions of the bread are a mixture of bean/legume sprouts and grain sprouts, so the bread is a complete protein! I love it and eat it with almost every meal, sometimes it is all I eat (toasted with oil). Anyway, here is a site where you can check out this bread. Here's some info taken from the Q & A section of the site:

"Q: How Can Food For Life Make Bread Without Flour?
A: We start with whole, certified organically grown, grains and sprout them. They are then made into small batches of dough and slowly baked into bread.
Q: Why Does Food For Life Sprout Grains In It's Breads?
A: Sprouting is the only way to release all the vital nutrients stored in whole grains. The sprouting process activates beneficial enzymes which cause the grains to sprout and become living, nutrient-rich, food. Document stores of vitamins and minerals dramatically increases over the amount available in flour.
Sprouting also converts the carbohydrates in grains into maltose, which is ordinarily done by the body during digestion, thereby predigesting nutrients for you. The enzymatic action enables the body to assimilate the vitamins and minerals more efficiently. Plus, the sprouting process naturally increases the protein content and decreases the calories and carbohydrates found in the original grain.
Q: What Does "Live Grain Difference” Mean?
A: Through the sprouting process the grains become living, nutrient-rich, food. It is these ‘live’ grains we use to make our breads. Different from other breads, we sprout all of the grains used in our bread prior to using them in our products. During our unique sprouting process, enzymes are released from the germ of the grain.
Q: Are Food For Life Sprouted Grain Breads A Source Of “Live” Enzymes?
A: Our sprouted grain breads are not necessarily a source for "Live" enzymes. What's important to remember is the natural enzymes in the grains are activated during the sprouting process, which releases the vital nutrients. Basically, the enzymes are allowed to do their job before the grains are made into bread. It is this process that makes the difference!

 

[selfAdjoint]

Has anybody seen the new study reported yesterday in which people who ate red meat steadily (like the poll's always category), over a long period of time, had a 50% higher rate of colorectal cancer than people who didn't?

 

[Echo 6 Sierra]

Those people probably don't realize that it goes IN the other end.

Bad form, I know, bad form.

 

[tribdog]

I had thought you were better than that E6S.

 

[tribdog]

Nobody answered my Jello question. Gelatin is a meat product right?

 

[Echo 6 Sierra]

Nobody answered my Jello question. Gelatin is a meat product right?

Yes, I believe it's collagen removed from animal hides.

 

[Les Sleeth]

Nobody answered my Jello question. Gelatin is a meat product right?

Yes, gelatin is considered a meat product. In India, eggs are considered very close to meat. I don't eat them because they drag my energy down, plus they don't feel "clean."

 

[Math Is Hard]

I thought gelatin was made from hooves.

 

[Evo]

I thought gelatin was made from hooves.

Yep, hooves, bones and "connective tissue".

The gelatin you eat in Jell-O comes from the collagen in cow or pig bones, hooves, and connective tissues. To make gelatin, manufacturers grind up these various parts and pre-treat them with either a strong acid or a strong base to break down cellular structures and release proteins like collagen. After pre-treatment, the resulting mixture is boiled. During this process, the large collagen protein ends up being partially broken down, and the resulting product is called gelatin. The gelatin is easily extracted because it forms a layer on the surface of the boiling mixture.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/question557.htm

 

[mattmns]

Yep, hooves, bones and "connective tissue".

The gelatin you eat in Jell-O comes from the collagen in cow or pig bones, hooves, and connective tissues. To make gelatin, manufacturers grind up these various parts and pre-treat them with either a strong acid or a strong base to break down cellular structures and release proteins like collagen. After pre-treatment, the resulting mixture is boiled. During this process, the large collagen protein ends up being partially broken down, and the resulting product is called gelatin. The gelatin is easily extracted because it forms a layer on the surface of the boiling mixture.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/question557.htm

Wow! Good stuff, I had no clue about that.

 

[dextercioby]

Wow! Good stuff, I had no clue about that.

Take pig tail,take pig feet,take pig ears,take pig skin and boil the hell of them and you'll get some delicious gelatine.Add some garlic,some green/fresh onion,some salt and u'll have a traditional Romanian dish called PIFTII.A true delight...

Daniel.

 

[Moonbear]

Yep, I guess all the "leftover" parts that don't become chicken mcnuggets get to be either gelatin or soap.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Take pig tail,take pig feet,take pig ears,take pig skin and boil the hell of them and you'll get some delicious gelatine.Add some garlic,some green/fresh onion,some salt and u'll have a traditional Romanian dish called PIFTII.A true delight...

Daniel.

Garlic 'n Green Onion Jello? I catch enough hell for putting pineapple and marshmallows in mine!

 

[russ_watters]

Meat is essential as it provides vital trace elements to the part of your brain that tells you tie-dye isn't cool.

Outstanding.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Well I don't use tie-dye, never have, and I eat lots of meat, and I think this comment is childish. Grow up.

 

[KingNothing]

I probably eat as much meat as anyone here, because of my weightlifting. A lot of people lift and have no idea that their lack of protein is inhibiting their growth. Refusing to eat meat for any reason regarding health or wellness is just plain stupid. Excluding religious reasons, I really can't understand why anyone would consciously refuse to eat enough of a vital chemical.

And for all the vegetarians out there who think they are getting the same amount of nutrition because they are drinking milk and soy products: you aren't. Protein is built of amino acids, eight of them essential (of 23). Milk products, and basically anything other than meat doesn't have a good balance of AA's. Protein, for example, in venison is a lot healthier than protein in milk. Lesser quality protein is more likely to be turned into fat. And for the record, if you say I don't care about the animals because I eat a lot of meat, well, gues what: the people harvesting the animals don't care what you think. You're doing just as little as I am about it.

Also, I've been to a few pig, cow, and turkey harvesting buildings and I have to say the animals weren't tortured or mistreated. They weren't subjected to anything unnecessary, and when they were killed it was very quick and clean.

 

[Les Sleeth]

Refusing to eat meat for any reason regarding health or wellness is just plain stupid.

I never knew.

And for all the vegetarians out there who think they are getting the same amount of nutrition because they are drinking milk and soy products: you aren't.

You're just trying to freak me out, right?

Protein is built of amino acids, eight of them essential (of 23). Milk products, and basically anything other than meat doesn't have a good balance of AA's.

Damn. Thirty-three years without meat. Dying of protein deprivation and didn't realize it.

Protein, for example, in venison is a lot healthier than protein in milk. Lesser quality protein is more likely to be turned into fat.

Bambi? Better not let Math is Hard see this.

. . . guess what: the people harvesting the animals don't care what you think.

Are you serious? They really don't care what I think?

You're doing just as little as I am about it.

Well, I was thinking that if I didn't EAT them , that might make a tiny difference. You disagree I suspect.

Also, I've been to a few pig, cow, and turkey harvesting buildings and I have to say the animals weren't tortured or mistreated. They weren't subjected to anything unnecessary, and when they were killed it was very quick and clean.

Whew! Thanks for the reassurance. But hell, animals are too stupid to notice anyway.

 

[Quantum_Prodegy]

i'd go into a state of severe depression without meat...must...have...steak...mmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Moonbear]

i'd go into a state of severe depression without meat...must...have...steak...mmmmmmmmmmm

I have to admit that there's one week a month that if I don't get red meat, rare, almost raw, I become rather dangerous to those around me, especially to anyone who is trying to come between me and my meat!

 

[Gokul43201]

You people are animals !11

If I had the time to cook everyday and if nearby eateries provided decent vegetarian fare, I could switch to vegetarianism easily enough...I think.

 

[Entropy]

I love my meat. Meat only makes up about 20-30% of my diet. I think that's the optium amount. If you eat to much meat, especially very fatty meats, it can be very bad for you. This new Adkins diet is absurd! People are going to be falling over dead from heart attacks before they're 30.

 

[Dooga Blackrazor]

You people are animals !11

If I had the time to cook everyday and if nearby eateries provided decent vegetarian fare, I could switch to vegetarianism easily enough...I think.

Have you ever tried a vegetarian diet? I'd recommend attempting it to see what it's like. Some of the meat substitutes are enjoyable, and they often only require microwaving.

 

[Les Sleeth]

Some of the meat substitutes are enjoyable . . .

e.g., pizza :!)

 

[brewnog]

Some of the meat substitutes are enjoyable...

eg. chicken and fish!

 

[KingNothing]

I never knew.
Damn. Thirty-three years without meat. Dying of protein deprivation and didn't realize it.

Are you actually going to say something of value, or just make half-arsed sarcastic comments that don't apply to any logic or reasoning? I would reply if you tried to say anything of value. Waiting.