[Mechanics] Calculate the braking torque

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The discussion revolves around calculating the braking torque in a braking system, with participants exploring dynamics concepts related to rotational motion and energy. The original poster presents various equations and approaches to find the braking torque and related quantities, while expressing uncertainty about certain assumptions and values.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to use different formulas for braking torque, questioning the implications of a constant rotational speed on the calculations. Some participants suggest that the rotational speed should be considered as an initial speed, which raises questions about the deceleration and the duration of braking. Others discuss the relationship between torque and deceleration, and the potential use of an arbitrary radius for calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights and questioning assumptions. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the nature of the rotational speed and its impact on the calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of torque equations and the implications of known values, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the radius of the wheel, which the original poster suspects may be an error from the teacher. Additionally, the lack of information about the duration of braking is noted as a constraint in determining deceleration.

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Homework Statement
We have a wheel spinning with a speed of 20rad/s.
The brake exerts a tangential force of 2073.6N and a normal force of 5760N.
(No radius given for the wheel)

1/Calculate the braking torque exerted by the braking force.

2/ Calculate how much rotations the wheel do before it stops

(3/ Which scaleswould be interesting to calculate ?)
Relevant Equations
Inertia of the wheel : 100m²/kg
μ=0.36
Hello ev
braking system.jpg
eryone !

I've got a problem in engineering class with a braking system (picture linked).
In the first part I calculated the friction force $$ \vec{B} $$ with components :
T (following y axis) : 2073.6N
N (following x axis) : 5760N.

For the first question I struggle a lot because I haven't seen dynamics equations yet.
But on the web I saw that we can calculate the braking torque C with the equation :
$$C= J \times \alpha $$ alpha is the rotational acceleration. But our wheel is spinning at a constant speed so $$\alpha=0$$ and thus C=0 and that's strange. I found another formula : $$C= n \times N \times \mu \times r $$ r stands for the radius of the wheel, n is the number of pair of frictionning surfaces here 1 and N the normal force acting on the wheel.

This one is interesting because although we don't have the radius (I think that's an error from my teacher) we'll have a non-zero value.

For the question 2/ I use the kinetic energy theorem that tells us that the work of the system is equal to the difference of kinetic energies. So we have $$W = \frac{1}{2} J \omega_2^2 - \frac{1}{2} J \omega_1^2 = \frac{1}{2} J (\omega_2^2-\omega_1^2)$$
Whereas $$W=J\times \theta $$ thus we have $$ \theta = \frac{W}{C} $$

Here is one solution for me and then we just have to divide the result by 2 pi to have the number of laps.

For the last question I've got no idea maybe the power...

So if you can help me because I'm not really sure of my work.
For the radius of the wheel maybe I can just take an arbitrary value, if the literal steps are good I think that's the most important.

Thx in advance
 
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One comment:
I think that the rotational speed is an initial speed, not a constant speed, as you state (##\alpha =0##). I say that because part of the problem is to determine when the wheel stops.
 
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I think that the rotational speed is an initial speed, not a constant speed, as you state (##\alpha =0##). I say that because part of the problem is to determine when the wheel stops.
That's right but we have no statement about the duration of the braking. So we can't determine the deceleration.
 
hugo_faurand said:
we can calculate the braking torque ##C## with the equation :$$C=J\times\alpha$$
Conversely, if we know ##C##, we can calculate the deceleration rate !

(assume you are right about '(I think that's an error from my teacher) ' and use the symbol ##r## )
 
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I made all the calculations with a radius of 53mm and I've a torque of almost 39 N.m and it needs 4laps to stop. Is it coherent ?

(Otherwise spend good end of the year festivities !)
 

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