Mechanism for generating the energy in supernova

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the mechanisms behind energy generation in type II supernovae, particularly the core collapse process and the formation of neutron stars. Participants explore various aspects of the collapse, the resulting shock waves, and the complexities involved in the explosive phase of supernovae.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the energy in a type II supernova arises from the kinetic energy of infalling particles as they collide with the neutron star's surface.
  • Others discuss the role of the Chandrasekhar limit in core collapse, suggesting that the collapse is triggered when a star's core accumulates enough iron.
  • A participant seeks detailed explanations of the collapse process beyond general resources like Wikipedia, indicating a desire for more in-depth understanding.
  • References to specific papers are shared, including one that discusses the physics of core-collapse supernovae and another that addresses explosion mechanisms.
  • One participant expresses interest in the "bounce" phenomenon during the collapse and its implications for energy generation, referencing a specific statement from a paper that discusses shock wave dynamics and neutrino losses.
  • Another participant notes the distinction between core collapse supernovae and type II supernovae, emphasizing the classification based on observable features rather than purely physical processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the core collapse mechanism but express differing views on the specifics of energy generation and the classification of supernova types. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact details of the explosive phase and the implications of the bounce phenomenon.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the complexity of the physics involved in supernova classifications and the ongoing uncertainties regarding the mechanisms of energy generation and the dynamics of the explosive phase.

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In a type II supernova If I remember correctly the core of the star collapses and turns to a neutron star. The envelope then will accelerate towards the core. The energy then come from the release of the kinetic energy of the infalling particles as they are brought to an abrupt stop by the incredibly dense surface of the neutron core. Can anyone shed any light on this idea for me please.
 
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The pressure required to compress matter to 'neutronium' is much greated than exists even in giagantic stars. According to theory, when a star accumulates enough iron in its core to surpass the Chandrasekhar limit, the core collapses triggering a supernova eruption [hence the term core collapse supernova]. The extra pressure furnished by the collapse supplies the force necessary to create a neutron star. The great majority of neutron stars are at or below the Chandrasekhar limit of 1.4 solar masses.
 
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Is there a paper or something somewhere that explains step by step what happens during the collapse? Something with a little more detail than wikipedia?
 
Awesome, thanks Chronos.
 
Yes an awesome document thank you Chronos, and thanks to everyone else for the responses. It is the bounce I was particularly interested in. It was something I remembered from a lecture on my degree course. It was the idea that gravitational energy of the in falling matter as struck it the surface of neutrons at nuclear densities. I am developing some resources for my colleagues for use in secondary schools and sixth form colleges. It is such an interesting topic to the students and there is very little information to feed the thirst they have for knowledge about the physics of the situation.

It is this statement on page 3 of the reference above from Chronos that I would really like help interpreting if possible

“The abrupt halt of the collapse of the inner core and its rebound generates a shock wave as the core’s outer half continues to crash down. Once it was thought that this bounce might actually be the origin of the supernova’s energy (3,4), that the outward velocity of the bounce would grow as it moved into the outer layers of the core and
eject the rest of the star with high velocity. Now it is known that this does not occur. Instead, the shock wave stalls due to photodisintegration and copious neutrino losses. A few milliseconds after the bounce, all positive velocities are gone from the star and the dense, hot neutron-rich core (commonly called a proto-neutron star) is accreting
mass at a few tenths of a solar mass per second.”
 
Many questions remain about the exact details of the explosive phase. This paper may offer some insight: Explosion Mechanisms of Core-Collapse Supernovae, http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.2503
 
Wow, thanks again Chronos. Those were awesome papers.
 
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I have an obsession with neutron stars due to my unnatural curiosity about the apparent mass gap between neutron stars and stellar mass black holes. I blame it all on Farr, et al: The Mass Distribution of Stellar-Mass Black Holes, http://arxiv.org/abs/1011.1459.
 
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mrcotton said:
In a type II supernova If I remember correctly the core of the star collapses and turns to a neutron star.
You've already had your answers, so I'll just correct one minor point: you are talking about "core collapse" supernovae, which are not quite the same thing as type II supernovae. A simpler way to think of it is that all supernovae are core collapse except type Ia, which are thermonuclear explosions.

You might think that if we have a type I and a type II, and we have thermonuclear and core collapses, we'd just associate the two, but astronomy never makes that much sense! In astronomy, it is customary to use specific observable features when classifying, and figure out the physics later, so you invariably end up with classifications that don't fit the physics very well (think "planetary nebula", etc.). In the case of supernovae, type I just means that it is absent of hydrogen lines, and type II means it does have hydrogen lines. Since core collapse can occur in helium stars, you can have type I that are core collapse (and there is a zoo of other possibilities as well). Type Ia is also classified based on observations, but the physics works out that this is the type that is not a core collapse (I don't know of any others, but there may be all kinds of fundamentally different kinds of physics going on).
 

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