Addressing Illegal Immigration: Solutions Beyond Border Control

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the complexities of illegal immigration, particularly in the context of Mexican-American relations and its implications for California's economy and politics. Participants explore various perspectives on the causes of immigration, the effectiveness of border control, and potential solutions beyond mere enforcement.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Mexican immigrants are primarily motivated by economic necessity and seek jobs that are often undesirable to Americans.
  • There is a proposal for tightening border security while offering amnesty to existing undocumented immigrants, though this is viewed as a temporary solution by some.
  • Others argue that the economic issues in California are more about political dynamics than immigration itself, viewing immigrants as scapegoats for broader economic problems.
  • A suggestion is made that the U.S. should focus on aiding Mexico economically, potentially by relocating industries from overseas back to Mexico.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of simply strengthening border patrol as a solution to the issues surrounding illegal immigration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing on the need for a more nuanced approach to immigration that includes economic support for Mexico, while others maintain that illegal immigration remains a significant issue. There is no clear consensus on the best solutions or the primary causes of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the issue, noting that economic factors, political decisions, and historical context all play roles in shaping the current situation. There are unresolved assumptions about the effectiveness of proposed solutions and the broader implications of immigration policy.

eNtRopY
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What do the intelligent readers of PF think about Mexican-American relations. Let's face the fact. The real reason why Californians are ousting Gov. Davis is because of their views on how the termination of Proposition 187 affected the economy of their state.

From my experiences, Mexican immigrants are hard working people who just want to come to America and take jobs that Americans don't want. They value jobs because in their country there are none. I don't think it's so unreasonable to think that Mexicans would try to sneak into our country for the only chance they have at improving their financial situation.

I actually almost like Larry Flynt's proposal to tighten security at the Mexican border while giving amnesty to those illegal immigrants already living in California. However, I think such a measure would only provide a temporary solution.

The real problem we Americans face is that we haven't been helping our southernly neighbors enough. There have been many attempts at establishing NAFTA over the years, but such efforts have always met with failure. I believe this failure is due to the inability of politicians to cooperate. I honestly think we (America) could help Mexico by simply saying fvck Malaysia, and all those other ungrateful southeast Asian countries to whom we give labor industry, and taking such businesses to Mexico where it would be appreciated.

Why did we screw ourselves by establishing most of our electronics labor industries overseas when it could have been done in our own backyards?

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Great way to start a thread, eNtRopY...
 
Well gee, once you take out all the crap its not an unreasonable post.

I personally don't think the recall vote has anything specifically to do with Mexico, its just politicians being politicians. Economic problems are often blamed on immigrants but that's just because they are a convenient scapegoat. Certianly though, illegal immigration is a real problem.
 
Originally posted by russ_watters
Certianly though, illegal immigration is a real problem.

Well, you can't deny the fact that many Californians were pissed off about the termination of Proposition 187 by Gray Davis. Sure, illegal immigration is a real problem, but simply strengthening the border patrol isn't going to solve this problem. We, the United States, should be thinking about how to help our neighbors by bringing more factory labor into their country.

eNtRopY
 

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