Microscope to view sample in focus with a completely relaxed eye

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The problem involves a microscope setup with two converging lenses, where the objective lens has a focal length of 1.00 cm and the eyepiece has a focal length of 2.50 cm. The original poster seeks to determine the necessary length of the microscope tube to view a sample in focus with a relaxed eye, given that the sample is positioned 1.30 cm from the objective lens.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply lens formulas to find the image distances and magnification, but expresses confusion about the resulting length of the tube. Some participants suggest that magnification may not be necessary for solving the problem and propose a simpler approach based on the distances involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some suggesting that the length of the tube can be calculated directly from the distances of the images formed by the lenses. There is no explicit consensus yet, but a productive direction has been provided regarding the relationship between the distances and the tube length.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the definition of the length L and how it relates to the distances from the lenses to the images. The original poster is also grappling with the implications of using magnification in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


A microscope has a converging lens (eyepiece) with focal length of 2.50 cm mounted on one end of a tube of adjustable length. At the other end is another converging lens (objective) with a focal length of 1.00 cm. When you place the sample 1.30 cm from the objective, what length, l, will you need to adjust the tube of the microscope to view the sample in focus with a completely relaxed eye. It then explains that to view sample with a completely relaxed eye, the eyepiece must form its image at infinity.

Homework Equations



f(eyepiece)=2.50 cm
f(objective)=1.00 cm
L=adjustable
1/f=1/s+1/s'
Mo=-s'/s
Me=25/f(eyepiece)
M=(Mo)(Me)=-(L/fo)(25 cm/f(eyepiece))

The Attempt at a Solution


so, for the objective lens,
1/f=1/s+1/s'
1/1=1/1.3+1/s'
solve for s' and get 4.3 cm

so, for the eyepiece lens,
1/f=1/s+1/s'
1/2.5=1/2.5+1/infinity
so, I thought s would be close to 2.5

so, Mo=-(4.3)/(1.3)=-3.3
so, Me=25/2.5=10

so, M=(Mo)(Me)=(-3.3)(10)=-33.1
M=-33.1=(-L)/(fo)*(25/fe)
-33.1=-L/1*25/2.5
solving for L, I get 3.31 cm which is incorrect

Any ideas to push me toward a better solution? Thanks again for your help.
 
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I don't see why you need to use magnification to solve this problem. I think your making this harder than it has to be.

The length of the tube, L, must be long enough to contain the distance of the first image from the first lens and the distance from the first image to the second lens. You know the distance of the first image from the first lens is 4.3cm and that the distance from the second lens has to be 2.5 cm. You should be able to find L just from this information.

If you haven't already, try drawing a picture to help you to visualize the setup of this microscope.
 
Thank you for letting me know I'm making physics harder than it needs to be! I certainly don't want to do that. So L is the distance from the object to the final image??
So, you said...
The length of the tube, L, must be long enough to contain the distance of the first image from the first lens and the distance from the first image to the second lens. You know the distance of the first image from the first lens is 4.3cm and that the distance from the second lens has to be 2.5 cm. You should be able to find L just from this information.

so L must be 4.3 cm + 2.5 cm? I guess I don't understand what L is.
 
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Niki4444 said:
Thank you for letting me know I'm making physics harder than it needs to be! I certainly don't want to do that. So L is the distance from the object to the final image??
So, you said...
The length of the tube, L, must be long enough to contain the distance of the first image from the first lens and the distance from the first image to the second lens. You know the distance of the first image from the first lens is 4.3cm and that the distance from the second lens has to be 2.5 cm. You should be able to find L just from this information.

so L must be 4.3 cm + 2.5 cm? I guess I don't understand what L is.
Yes. L is the length of the tube between the first and second lens. So if the image is inside the tube, 4.3cm away from one lens and 2.5 cm away from the other, then we can reason that the tube must be 2.5+4.3 = 6.8cm long.
 

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