Microwave Steam Engine, Would this work?

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of a microwave steam engine, which claims to use the power generated by the motor to heat water. However, the calculations reveal that the system would require five times more energy input than it outputs, making it impractical. The efficiency of a microwave generator is approximately 65%, while thermodynamic engines operate at 35% efficiency and electric generators at 90%. The assertion that this engine is more efficient than existing steam engines is fundamentally flawed, as it overlooks basic thermodynamic principles.

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I found this the other day and was wondering if it could work.

If nothing else it is an interesting concept.


http://www.keelynet.com/energy/microeng.htm"
 
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Sure - the heat for a steam engine's boiler can come from anywhere. I don't know why anyone would want to do it, though.

edit: Oops, sorry, I missed the fact that they are claiming they can use the power generated by the motor to heat the water. C'mon, that's a classic perpetual motion machine of the first type. A microwave generator is about 65% efficient, a thermodynamic engine 35% and an electric generator 90%. So this device would require five times as much energy input as it outputs (.65*.35*.9=.2). I particularly liked this:
The engine I have invented is far more efficient than any other steam engine because the efficiency of the magnetron in turning water into steam.
No. A magnetron is 65% efficient (google for microwave efficiency), a good gas furnace is 95% efficient, and electric resistance heat is 100% efficient. Of course, if you put the waste heat from the magnetron back into the water, you'd just end up with an electric resistance heater.

C'mon, now, apply a little critical thinking. There is no free lunch! Discussions of this type are banned here because they are sooo basic that there really isn't anything to discuss - the only thing that happens is crackpots come out of the woodwork.
 
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