Efficient Laser Steam Generation for High Pressure Vessels: Expert Suggestions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the use of lasers for heating high pressure vessels to generate steam efficiently. Participants explore the feasibility and efficiency of laser heating compared to traditional methods, with a focus on achieving quick steam generation without damaging the vessel.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the appropriateness of lasers for heating a high pressure vessel, emphasizing the need for quick steam generation without excessive heat.
  • Another participant challenges the efficiency of using lasers, suggesting that nichrome wire may be a more effective heating method.
  • A third participant agrees with the inefficiency of laser heating, noting that while solid state lasers have improved, they still require significant input energy, much of which is wasted as heat.
  • Concerns are raised about the size of the vessel and the power density of lasers, which is typically effective only when focused on a small area.
  • One participant mentions that current boiler technology achieves about 88% efficiency in converting combustion heat into steam, questioning the definition of "very quick" in the context of the original proposal.
  • It is suggested that the goal should be to heat the water inside the pressure vessel rather than the vessel itself to generate steam.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the inefficiency of using lasers for this application, but there is no consensus on the best alternative heating method or the specifics of the proposed design.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definition of "very quick" steam generation and the implications of vessel size on heating efficiency. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific definitions of efficiency and heating methods.

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I am working on a new concept design and would like some suggestions on which Lasers(s) would be most appropriate for heating a high pressure vessel for producing steam. The concept requires very quick steam generation but heat can not be excessive enough to harm the vessel being heated. As a starting point, 115 degrees C should be sufficient. My concept calls for a number of lasers used in a concentric sprial application.
Any Thoughts?
 
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Chippit said:
I am working on a new concept design and would like some suggestions on which Lasers(s) would be most appropriate for heating a high pressure vessel for producing steam. The concept requires very quick steam generation but heat can not be excessive enough to harm the vessel being heated. As a starting point, 115 degrees C should be sufficient. My concept calls for a number of lasers used in a concentric sprial application.
Any Thoughts?

Welcome to the PF.

That's an extremely inefficient way to heat a vessel. Can you say why you want to use lasers instead of just using nichrome wire?
 
I concur. Heat by laser is not very efficient. Current solid state lasers are much better than other technologies used in the past. But still, multi-kilowatt lasers sufficient for any kind of significant heating will require a lot of input energy...most of which goes up in waste heat. What size vessel? Lasers typically only achieve sufficient power density (watt/cm^2) to do useful thermal work when focused to a small spot. And THAT is one of the primary useful features of lasers: focusing to a small spot.
 
Current boiler technology is about 88% efficient in transferring the heat of combustion into turning water into superheated steam. It's not clear how quick 'very quick' is for the OP's application. Also, you don't necessarily want to heat the pressure vessel to generate the steam: you want to heat the water inside the PV.
 

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