Mid-latitude Mar's ancient covalent bonded ice?

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In summary, a telescope in Mars orbit might be able to obtain 2 mm resolution to look for closeup geological views. Mars' ice may be opaque to light, and take on the appearance of rock. However, rock ice would be very light weight. There may be mars' ice rock on the surface. Placing a Moon orbiter (rover-like) with a telescope might also be a good way to obtain data about the Moon.
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Might ancient mid-latitude Mar's ice be covalently bonded? Would 1-2 billion year old ice have much greater density then, compared to Earth ice? So drilling into Mars' ice, compared to drilling into Earth ice, and measure relative difference in voltage/ampere as a proxy for relative density. Could one bring back a cube of Mars ice, without melting? Also wouldn't such guessed at Mars ice sink in water? Would it super cool your drink?
 
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No, because there's no stable covalent bond to be formed. The HOMO of water is anti-bonding.

Depending on pressure and temperature conditions, you can have different forms of ice; we already know of at least a dozen different phases of ice.
But I don't think that we're going to find anything new or unique in martian ice, because the conditions on Mars aren't very exotic compared to what can be achived in the lab.
 
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Whoops, wrote HOMO, meant LUMO.
 
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cph said:
Might ancient mid-latitude Mar's ice be covalently bonded? Would 1-2 billion year old ice have much greater density then, compared to Earth ice? So drilling into Mars' ice, compared to drilling into Earth ice, and measure relative difference in voltage/ampere as a proxy for relative density. Could one bring back a cube of Mars ice, without melting? Also wouldn't such guessed at Mars rock ice sink in water? Would it super cool your drink?

Re: Mars' orbital telescope and ice rock
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Might one place a telescope in Mars orbit, in order to obtain 2 mm resolution, looking for closeup geological views; such as mars' stromatolytic fossils, or mars' ice (rock) on the surface, in form of a smooth surface that seems a bit odd? Might billions year old Mars' ice be opaque to light, and take on the appearance of rock, but very light weight rock? So is there mars' ice rock on the surface? Do any of the Mars meteroites on Earth have in part Mars rock ice?

As noted 2 mm resolution (that of a field geologist) would be better. Also placing a Moon orbiter (rover-like) with a telescope, looking for Moon rock ice etc. For example, what appears to be a rock effacement, might continue into mottled appearance for near to reflected light. Thus a geological data base at 2mm resolution also for the Moon; equivalent to placing a geologist on the Moon.
 
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2 mm at 200 km, that means sin(θ)=10-8. Using Rayleigh criterion

[tex]\sin \theta = 1.220 \frac {\lambda}{D}[/tex]

and assuming visible light at 500 nm, you need lens with 61 meter diameter. Good luck.
 

1. What is "Mid-latitude Mar's ancient covalent bonded ice"?

"Mid-latitude Mar's ancient covalent bonded ice" refers to a type of ice that is found at the mid-latitudes of Mars, which are the regions between the equator and the poles. This ice is believed to be ancient, possibly dating back billions of years, and is formed through the bonding of molecules through covalent bonds.

2. How is this type of ice different from other forms of ice?

Unlike other forms of ice, such as water ice or carbon dioxide ice (dry ice), "Mid-latitude Mar's ancient covalent bonded ice" is formed through covalent bonding instead of hydrogen bonding. This results in a more stable and dense ice that is less likely to sublimate (turn directly from a solid to a gas).

3. Why is the discovery of this ice on Mars significant?

The discovery of "Mid-latitude Mar's ancient covalent bonded ice" on Mars is significant because it provides evidence of the planet's past climate and potential for sustaining life. This ice is believed to have formed during a time when Mars had a thicker atmosphere and was warmer and wetter, making it a potential location for ancient microbial life.

4. How was this ice discovered on Mars?

This ice was discovered using data from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter's Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars (CRISM) instrument. By analyzing the spectral signatures of the surface, scientists were able to identify the unique signature of covalent bonded ice at the mid-latitudes of Mars.

5. Can this ice be used in future human missions to Mars?

Potentially, yes. "Mid-latitude Mar's ancient covalent bonded ice" could be a valuable resource for future human missions to Mars, as it could potentially be used as a source of water and fuel. However, more research and exploration is needed to determine the exact composition and accessibility of this ice.

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