Milky Way's Supermassive Black Hole to Light Up in 2013?

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The discussion revolves around the potential visibility of the supermassive black hole (SMBH) at the center of the Milky Way, particularly in light of an expected event in 2013 involving a stream of ionized dust and gas. Participants explore the implications of this event for observational astronomy, focusing on the challenges of visibility due to dust and the types of wavelengths that may be used for observation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the only evidence of the SMBH's existence has been its gravitational effects on nearby stars and a radio signature.
  • There is excitement about the potential for the SMBH to become visible in 2013 as it interacts with a stream of ionized dust and gas.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about visibility in the visual spectrum due to dust obscuring the view of the galaxy's center.
  • Another participant questions whether audio waves could be used for capturing data, leading to a clarification that sound waves cannot propagate through the vacuum of space.
  • It is mentioned that the accretion disk around the black hole generates light as matter falls in, but this light is blocked by dust located primarily in the spiral arms of the galaxy.
  • A participant recalls reading about sound waves in the interstellar medium, suggesting that shock waves from supernovae might be comparable to sound waves in denser media, though the details are uncertain.
  • There is a mention of a gas cloud that may have already undergone changes thousands of years ago, indicating a temporal aspect to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of excitement and skepticism regarding the visibility of the SMBH, with some agreeing on the challenges posed by dust while others explore different observational methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact implications of the upcoming event and the nature of sound in space.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to visibility due to dust and the challenges of using different wavelengths for observation. There is also uncertainty regarding the nature of sound waves in the context of the interstellar medium.

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As far as I know, the only evidence of a supermassive black hole (SMBH) at the center of our Milky Way has been it's gravitational effect on stars that zip around near the center of our galaxy and a radio signature. That's about to change in 2013 when a stream of ionized dust and gas begin it's death spiral into the void. It should be really cool to see our very own SMBH transform from the invisible monster it is into a brightly lit monster! Hopefully it will be bright enough to see visually.

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WoooO! Should be quite a show! If you can see in the radio or microwave spectrum at least.
 
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Unfortunately, we can't see anything in the center of our galaxy in the visual wavelength. There's too much dust in the way.
 
So we'll be capturing using audio waves and then interpreting? Or would the dust interfere with audio too?
 
Matt Todd said:
So we'll be capturing using audio waves and then interpreting? Or would the dust interfere with audio too?

Sound waves cannot propagate through space, the density is way too low for that. Since we can't "see" it, meaning we can't image it in visible light, we have to look in other wavelengths such as Infrared or Radio where the longer wavelengths allow the light to pass through the dust relatively unimpeded.
 
actually,,,why doesn't the black hole form visible light rays while engulfing these dust?
 
mysteriously said:
actually,,,why doesn't the black hole form visible light rays while engulfing these dust?

The matter from the accretion disk does generate light as it heats up while falling in. The light is blocked by dust in between us and the black hole. This dust is mostly in the spiral arms, not right next to the black hole.
 
Drakkith said:
Sound waves cannot propagate through space, the density is way too low for that. Since we can't "see" it, meaning we can't image it in visible light, we have to look in other wavelengths such as Infrared or Radio where the longer wavelengths allow the light to pass through the dust relatively unimpeded.

Actually, I remember reading about a kind of sound wave in space, or at leas the interstellar medium. The shock waves formed by supernovae are so large that the difference between the average density of the interstellar medium and the surface area of the shock wave would be comparable to sound waves on a human scale in a more dense medium.

...or something like that, sadly I don't remember where I read this :(
 
I remember reading something similar I think, but I'm betting that it isn't what most would consider "propagation of a sound wave".
 
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I heard about the gas cloud. Its funny to think that it already happened thousands of years ago
 

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