Millions of Men May Be Descended From Irish King

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The discussion revolves around the genetic lineage potentially tracing back to Niall of the Nine Hostages, a fifth-century Irish king. Participants explore the implications of genetic studies suggesting a significant number of men may be his descendants, while also considering historical validity and the broader context of ancestry.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight a study indicating that up to three million men may be descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, suggesting a historical dynasty.
  • One participant questions the implications for Niall's descendants if it were proven that he did not exist, raising a hypothetical scenario about their lineage.
  • Another participant humorously speculates about identifying descendants among forum members.
  • It is noted that aside from the specific Y-chromosome inheritance, many individuals of Irish descent likely carry genes from early ancestors associated with the Ua Niall clan, regardless of Niall's historical existence.
  • A participant mentions their own Irish ancestry and suggests they may also carry genes linked to Niall.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of curiosity and skepticism regarding the historical accuracy of Niall's existence and the genetic claims. There is no consensus on the implications of the findings or the historical context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about genetic inheritance and historical lineage that remain unresolved. The validity of the genetic claims and the historical existence of Niall are both questioned without definitive conclusions.

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This is interesting, but I could decide if the appropriate topic is genetics or history.

Up to three million men living around the world today could be descended from a fifth-century Irish king, according to a new study.

Research suggests as many as 1 in 12 men in Ireland carry the genes of Niall of the Nine Hostages, bolstering claims that the ancient warlord founded a dynasty that dominated Ireland for centuries.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/01/0120_060120_irish_men.html
 
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What happens to Niall's descendants if it is proven he didn't exist after all?
Do they evaporate or something?

Nice link, though.
 
arildno said:
What happens to Niall's descendants if it is proven he didn't exist after all?
Do they evaporate or something?
Nice link, though.
Dunno. I hope I am not one of them. :smile:

It looked interesting.
 
Not a difficult job to guess which 1 of PF'ers are his descendants! :rolleyes:
 
Over at gnxp someone pointed that in addition to the specifiv Y-chromosome inheritance, practically everyone of Irish descent has SOME genes from the early procreator of the Ua Niall clan and associates (whether Niall of history or someone else. They can't be sure that Genghis Khan is the procreator of that Asian descent either; it's just very possible). So since I am 1/16 Irish, I suppose I have a Niall gene or two kicking around.
 

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