Minimum amount of hops for radiowave to travel from Amsterdam to Tokyo

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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum number of hops required for a radiowave to travel from Amsterdam to Tokyo, focusing on the reflection of radiowaves by the f1-layer in the atmosphere. The original poster is tasked with using Mathematica for this calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the spherical distance and angle between Amsterdam and Tokyo, seeking guidance on how to proceed with the problem. Some participants suggest considering the path of the radiowave and the geometry involved in the reflections. Others question the optimal angle for minimizing hops and discuss the implications of the wave's trajectory.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and offering insights into the geometry of the radiowave's path. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some productive directions regarding the angle of incidence and the nature of the hops have been suggested.

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The problem involves specific constraints related to the properties of the f1-layer and the distances involved, which are being discussed but not resolved. The original poster's uncertainty about terminology and methodology reflects the complexity of the task.

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Homework Statement


I don't know if 'hops' is the correct English term, but that's the term my assignment uses in Dutch. The assignment is about the reflection of radiowaves by the f1-layer in the atmosphere and a hop is defined as one such reflection. The question is, what is the minimum amount of hops needed for a radiowave to travel from Amsterdam to Tokyo? We have to use Mathematica to solve it.

Homework Equations


First of all we have to calculate the spherical distance from Amsterdam to Tokyo. I calculated this to be 9293.71 km. Then we have to calculate the angle between Amsterdam and Tokyo, as seen from the centre of the earth, in radians, which I found to be 2.3541.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm pretty much at a loss now, how do I continue?
 
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Assuming the radio waves travel in straight lines and bounce off the surface (or are relayed) and the ionosphere - you are trying to draw a polygon that fits between these two circles.
 
Ok, I think I see where you are going, but not quite yet. The best way for me to send that radiowave would be to send it completely horizontally (so at an angle of 0), right? I drew a picture in paint:

http://home.orange.nl/~kuip3148/radiowave.JPG

The f1-layer has an altitude of 300 km. All I would have to do is figure out how far the radiowave would have traveled after one hop and then I could simply divide the distance Amsterdam-Tokyo by the distance traveled after one hop to get the number of hops, is that correct? If it is, is there an easy way to calculate that?
 
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Almost - except the wave should hit the Earth at a tangent to get the least number of hops
 

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