Ts = temperature of steamModel Boiler: Negative Rate of Change of Enthalpy

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hello,
I have dynamically modeled a drum boiler, but when i am solving the equation i am getting an negative rate of change of enthalpythe reason i find is the enthalpy of the steam is very higher than the enthalpy of water. can someone please verify the model and help me with this.
$$\rho_w\cdot V_w\cdot \frac{\mathrm{d} h_w}{\mathrm{d} t} = Q+\dot{m}\cdot (h_w-h_s)-M\cdot C_p\cdot \frac{\mathrm{d} T_m}{\mathrm{d} t}$$
where $$M\cdot C_p\cdot \frac{\mathrm{d} T_m}{\mathrm{d} t} = Q-(n\cdot \pi \cdot D\cdot L\cdot \alpha \cdot (T_m-T_s))$$
ρw = density of water
Vw = volume of water
m. = massflow rate of water
hs = enthalpy of steam
M = mass of metal
Cp = specific heat of metal
Tm = temperature of metal
n = number of tubes
D = Dia of tube
L = length of tube
∝ = heat transfer coefficient
 

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thank you so much now it works but it requires a high Q. Sounds very silly to you but can u tell me this, i am using a electrical power source can you tell me how cani convert input power in watts to Q?
 
Perhaps ##Q = ## input power ?

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$$M\cdot C_p\cdot \frac{\mathrm{d} T_m}{\mathrm{d} t} = Q-(n\cdot \pi \cdot D\cdot L\cdot \alpha \cdot (T_m-T_s)) $$

What is ##T_s## ?

$$\rho_w\cdot V_w\cdot \frac{\mathrm{d} h_w}{\mathrm{d} t} = Q+\dot{m}\cdot (h_w-h_s)-M\cdot C_p\cdot \frac{\mathrm{d} T_m}{\mathrm{d} t} $$ Boiling usually occurs at a fixed temperature, so how come you have ##dh_w\over dt## as accumulation variable ? Or are you modeling the heating up of water instead of the boiling ?
 
Ts is the saturated temperature of the steam.
I have gone through many papers and
BvU said:
ρw⋅Vw⋅dhwdt=Q+˙m⋅(hw−hs)−M⋅Cp⋅dTmdt
is the equation for dynamic modelling of boiler
 
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vishnu123 said:
Ts is the saturated temperature of the steam.
I thought you had an electric heater ?

I refuse to sign up for a PDF.

The equation may be appropriate in some (other?) context. But I don't think you have that context. A diagram of your setup ?
 
To be clear, I don't have any diagram of the setup. I need to model a boiler where the water is boiled to get steam using an electric source as heat input and the output steam is to be collected and will be sent through a superheater.
 
To avoid errors for yourself and in communication you should draw a diagram, showing all the relevant variables. Look in a textbook for examples.
The way you work now is confusing for yourself and hinders your understanding of what goes where and which parts are important and which can be ignored (definitely or temporarily)
 
sorry for the link, i have deleted it and will upload the clear view of the boiler
 
yes I am looking for transient steady state operation. I am modelling the basic boiler in simulink, where the pressure is constant, and the volume is also constant. What I need is when i use an electric power as input source, the water has to boil and the outlet steam is collected. I just basically need to show in the equation that the water is boiled and steam is being produced. All the other designing parameters and physical parameters such as pressure and volume are neglected.
 
vishnu123 said:
I need to model a boiler where the water is boiled to get steam using an electric source as heat input and the output steam is to be collected and will be sent through a superheater.
That sounds like a drum type boiler, because if it was a once through boiler there is no defined boundary between the boiling region and the superheating region. Double down if it is a supercritical once through. Nor do you provide hints at the size scale. Is this boiler small enough to hold in your hand, or is it bigger than a football stadium?

I would not attempt such a modelling job without first having drawings. Can you post drawings and dimensions?
 
i am looking for a transient state model.
 
Please make an attempt to make clear to us what you are trying to do -- a complete description, with a drawing of the setup. You really are constantly overestimating other people's capabilities for telepathy
 
vishnu123 said:
i am looking for a transient state model.
Then you need to include a mass balance equation.

At what pressure is this system being operated? Is air being purged from the system during the startup of the system, and are you interested in the startup? Is so, then the exit stream is not at the equilibrium vapor pressure of the liquid water.