Modelling the shape of an atom

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The discussion revolves around the modeling of the shape of a hydrogen atom orbital, specifically addressing how to represent the wave function and spherical harmonics in visualizations. Participants explore the implications of complex phases in spherical harmonics and the appropriate methods for plotting probability distributions related to electron density.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the wave function is real and that the spherical harmonics can be plotted directly, while others emphasize the importance of considering the complex phase.
  • A participant notes that the phase of the spherical harmonics is physically insignificant when plotting the probability density, which is the square modulus of the wave function.
  • There is a discussion about whether to plot the wave function itself or its absolute square, with some arguing that both approaches have pedagogical value.
  • One participant explains that when plotting wave functions, one can either plot the real and imaginary parts separately or use a basis of real-valued functions, especially in cases with time reversal symmetry.
  • Another participant provides a detailed method for initializing and plotting the probability distribution, including steps for calculating the normalization factor and mapping phase angles to colors.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance of the complex phase in spherical harmonics and whether to plot the wave function or its absolute square. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to visualize the shape of the hydrogen atom orbital.

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Some assumptions about the treatment of the wave function and spherical harmonics are not explicitly stated, and the discussion includes various mathematical steps that are not fully resolved.

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hi,

when modelling the shape of a hydrogen atom orbital, is it the real part of the spherical harmonics that i plot?

thanks
 
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Well the wave function (being time-independent and without an external field) is real, and so are the spherical harmonics (m being an integer).
 
but this only works if \phi is pi o 2pi? but \phi can take any value? or am i misunderstanding it?
 
Ah, I was a bit confused. Right, the harmonics have a complex phase, but it's physically insignficant here. So e^{i\phi m} can be taken to be sin(\phi m) if m > 0, cos(\phi m) if m < 0 (or vice versa) and \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} if m=0
 
You basically plot the probability-function, lYl2 = Y.Y*
 
You want to plot the probability distribution for the probabilities of the electron.

This includes both the radial part and the spherical harmonics.
 
Why are you guys telling the OP what he wants?
There's nothing wrong with plotting the wave function itself, it's done all the time (and there's a pedagogical point in doing so, for understanding MO theory).

The question was how to handle the complex-valued phase of the spherical harmonics when doing so. If you're plotting the density then the question is moot; they disappear in the integration. The less-trivial point is that the phase is irrelevant, and not only for plotting; you can stick that real-valued wave function back into any equation and you'll still get all the same observables.

Also, in numerical QM calculations, atomic wave functions are expressed as simple real-valued functions (namely gaussians) all the time.
 
This is what the OP asked for: how to model the shape of a hydrogen atom. And you do so by plotting the square modulus (≡probability/electron density) of the wavefunction, which is real valued.
 
When we plot wavefunctions(not its absolute square), we have two options. We can either plot real and imaginary parts separately, or choose a basis so that all basis functions are real-valued (We can do this whenever there is a time reversal symmetry). The latter is what they often do, especially in chemistry books.

For l=1 case, Y_10 is already real, whereas Y_11 and Y_1,-1 are complex.
Y_10 ~ cos(theta) = z/r
Y_11 ~ sin(theta)exp(i*phi) = (x+iy)/r
Y_1,-1 ~ sin(theta)exp(-i*phi) = (x-iy)/r

Yet, if we take the linear combinations of Y_11 and Y_1,-1 we have real valued functions

Y_10 ~ cos(theta) = z/r
Y_11 + Y_1,-1 ~ sin(theta)cos(phi) = x/r
Y_11 - Y_1,-1 ~ sin(theta)sin(phi) = y/r

Now, we have all real orbitals! These orbitals are so called p_z, p_x and p_y orbitals.

The rule of thumb is that you leave m=0 state alone, and take the sum of and difference between all m and -m states for m!=0.
I guess you might want to do the same thing for l=2 and verify that we get x^2-y^2, 3z^2-r^2, xy, yz, zx states.
 
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I would try something like this:

Inicialization:
- define the number of points in cloud
- define a maximum radial distance (since you cannot go as far as infinity)
- define the radial discretization
- define the azimuthal discretization
- define the polar discretization
- visit each point in the sphere with these discretization values
- calculate the volume element
- calculate psi modulus squared
- multiply the two numbers
- accumulate this value
- end each
- the accumulated value is the normalization factor

Plotting:
- for each point in cloud do
- calculate a random value between 0 and 1 (collapse)
- visit each point in the sphere with the discretization values
- calculate the volume element
- calculate psi modulus squared
- multiply the two numbers
- accumulate the value
- divide this value by the normalization factor. If it is greater than collapse value, plot point and break each
- end each
- end each

Obs.: the phase angle must be mapped to a specifc color
 
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