Modern Algebra: Permutations and Cycles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of permutations and cycles in modern algebra, particularly focusing on the notation involving Greek letters and the properties of permutations and their inverses. Participants explore the relationship between a permutation and its inverse, as well as the representation of cycle structures.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the notation of Greek letters used for permutations, specifically questioning if certain letters correspond to specific permutations based on the number of cycles.
  • Another participant clarifies that the task is to show that a permutation and its inverse have the same cycle structure for arbitrary permutations, suggesting the use of specific examples to illustrate this point.
  • A participant mentions that every permutation can be expressed as a product of disjoint cycles, emphasizing the importance of understanding cycles in the context of permutations.
  • Discussion includes a technique for finding the inverse of a cycle by mirroring the original cycle, providing a method for understanding the relationship between a permutation and its inverse.
  • Participants note that there is no established convention linking specific Greek letters to particular cycle types, although some letters like τ (tau) are commonly associated with transpositions.
  • There is mention of the potential confusion caused by using π (pi) for permutations, as it is also a well-known mathematical constant.
  • One participant suggests that knowing disjoint cycles commute is helpful for proving that a permutation and its inverse share the same cycle-type.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the properties of permutations and their inverses, but there is no consensus on the specific notation and its implications, as well as the best way to represent cycle structures.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific examples provided by the original poster and the potential for confusion regarding the notation of Greek letters in relation to permutations.

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Hi there,

I'm doing homework right now (no this isn't a homework question!) and have basic questions on permutations and cycles. The concept seemed so simple in class and still seems simple, but the notation using lowercase Greek letters is confusing me.

Do η and \theta and most of the other Greek letters (we went from \alpha to \gamma in class) have specific permutations, depending on the number of cycles?

For example, one problem involves showing that \theta and inverse\theta have the same cycle structure, but I can't figure out how to represent theta because I don't know it's specific disjoint cycles or transposition.

Thank you so very much for the help!

Phoenix
 
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Usually what is meant is for you to show this for arbitrary permutations. You need to show that \theta and \theta^{-1} have the same cycle structure no matter what permutation \theta is. Some ideas for this may be gained by considering specific examples like
(1 2 3)
(1 2)(3 4)
etc.
and seeing how their inverses look, but you are asked to do it in general.
 
Ah, that makes perfect sense to me. Thank you so much!

The examples we did in class involved specific cycle structures for alpha to gamma, and I didn't quite understand how those came to be. What does the inverse of a permutation represent, then, if there is no specific cycle structure?
 
one of the theorems you should have learned (or maybe will be learning soon), is that every permutation can be written as a product of (disjoint) cycles.

so understanding cycles is a big part of understanding permutations, in general.

and for cycles, there is a nifty trick, which it pays to remember:

if θ = (a b c ... k)

then θ-1 = (k ... c b a) = (a k ... c b)

(just "mirror" the original cycle).

the reason that greek letters are usually used for permutations, is that roman letters are often used as symbols to stand for the (perhaps unknown or arbitrary) set elements that the permutations permute (boy...that's a mouthful).

so α(a) will be properly understood as the image under α of a, and not confused as, say, the composition of two permutations.

in other words, there's two layers going on:

the set layer <--> elements (roman letters)
the group layer <--> permutations (functions) (greek letters).

there is no "convention" for associating a particular cycle type with a particular greek letter, although τ (tau) is often used for transpositions (2-cycles), perhaps "T" for "transposition"?

another common letter used for an arbitrary permutation is π (pi) ("P" for permutation?), which confuses a lot of people, since they are used to pi being a number.

personally, i like σ (sigma) and μ (mu), as they are easy to distinguish from typical roman letters (α (alpha) and β (beta) can get mixed up with a and b, and γ (gamma) looks too much like y).

to prove θ and θ-1 have the same cycle-type (decomposition into disjoint cycles), it helps to know (which is another theorem/lemma that should be proved in your book/class) that disjoint cycles commute.
 

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