Modern Invention in the Home: Everyday Essentials

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The discussion revolves around the evolution and significance of everyday household items, exploring how modern inventions have transformed basic necessities in the home. Participants touch on various aspects including historical context, the complexity of defining inventions, and the cultural implications of these items.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that everyday items have evolved from simpler natural forms, questioning when an object transitions from a crude item to a defined tool or piece of furniture.
  • There is a discussion about the historical context of inventions, with some noting that many items were created before systematic tracking of inventors began.
  • Participants mention specific items like the pressure cooker, highlighting its invention and the initial public perception of it as potentially dangerous or magical.
  • The evolution of the table and chair is discussed, with some proposing that the modern design accommodates seating arrangements.
  • There are inquiries into the origins of drinking vessels, with suggestions that bowls may have been used before cups were invented.
  • Some participants reflect on the cultural significance of items like toilet paper and the historical context of its invention.
  • The discussion includes humorous exchanges about the left-handedness associated with certain traditions and the implications of heraldry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints, with no clear consensus on the definitions or historical significance of the items discussed. Multiple competing views remain regarding the evolution and cultural implications of household inventions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific definitions for what constitutes an invention versus an evolution of existing items, as well as the dependence on historical interpretations that may vary among participants.

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DaveC426913 said:
I don't know who he was, but I'll bet he was left-handed.

You see, the reason we shake hands and salute and everything else with the right hand is because that is the hand we have traditionally eaten with - the clean hand.

On the other hand, all flush toilets are operated with the left hand because of the same traditions.
Being right handed, wouldn't you wipe with your right hand? The handle is on the left because after you wipe, the left would be the clean hand. :smile:

I thought the tradition of shaking hands with the right was to prove you were not holding a weapon.
 
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Evo said:
Being right handed, wouldn't you wipe with your right hand? The handle is on the left because after you wipe, the left would be the clean hand. :smile:

I thought the tradition of shaking hands with the right was to prove you were not holding a weapon.
That too.

But using one's right hand is not simply a personal preference, it is a societal and logistical convention - because of the swords, the saluting and the hand-shaking.
 
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Evo said:
I thought the tradition of shaking hands with the right was to prove you were not holding a weapon.

In Arab countries I believe it is quite the opposite. You shake with your right hand because that is the clean hand. The same with regard to eating or preparing food as well. You take food with your right, because reaching for communal food in the middle ... why that would be considered a matter of hygiene as well. Your companions might take offense.

One might imagine that such a custom would arise in a place without toilet paper - like say a desert?
 
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if I remember reading 'right', its because in Europe (roman times/latin) most were right handed and the better you manuevered your hands the more dextrous (dexter 'latin'-right) you were; and, if you were left handed, you were odd (sinister 'latin'-left). --latin for hand is manus --and has many romantic language derivatives -manufacture, manicure, etc.
 
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rewebster said:
if I remember reading 'right', its because in Europe (roman times/latin) most were right handed and the better you manuevered your hands the more dextrous (dexter 'latin'-right) you were; and, if you were left handed, you were odd (sinister 'latin'-left). --latin for hand is manus --and has many romantic language derivatives -manufacture, manicure, etc.

Being a particular handedness can of course be an advantage in Roman times if for no other reason than maintaining the fighting integrity of the cohorts thrusting their gladii from behind the gaps in their shields. And that alone might have even served to ensure an evolutionary bias in handedness.

But as to the subject of toilet paper, it's my understanding that one means of Roman army hygiene was the use of a sponge on a stick that may have been carried on a soldier's belt. Actually a pretty effective and eco-efficient solution I would think if running water was about. Less useful in the desert. I suspect adopting such a style today might not be quite so acceptable. (Mercy look at how slide rules hanging from the belt used to be selected against.)
 

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