Modified Block Problem -- Block on top and on the side

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The problem involves a modified scenario with two blocks, focusing on their interactions and the forces acting upon them. The original poster seeks to clarify their understanding of the dynamics involved, particularly regarding acceleration and the application of forces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions their problem definition and the correct application of acceleration values in their equations. They also seek validation of their derivation process. Other participants suggest the need for inequalities related to acceleration to prevent sliding and discuss the implications of friction coefficients and constraints on forces.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's queries, offering insights into the need for inequalities and clarifying concepts related to friction. There is a recognition of potential errors in the problem statement, and various interpretations of the constraints on acceleration are being explored.

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Some participants note that the problem may fit better in a homework context due to its style, and there are discussions about the definitions and roles of forces and coefficients involved in the scenario.

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The problem is a modified version of two basic block problems. This is my work so far, but I end up with two equations for acceleration from m1 and m2, I don't understand how to use both equations. So my questions are -

1) Did I define the problem correctly to begin with?

2) Which acceleration value do I plug in for the final expression for F? and why?

3) Overall, is my derivation correct?

This is not a homework problem. I just made it up to test my conceptual understanding.

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I think this should be in the Homework section. (it is a "homework style" problem)
I'll take a look at your work, but you are going to need 2 acceleration inequalities. Acceleration will need to be greater than or equal to some threshold value to keep m2 from sliding down. Also, acceleration will need to be less than or equal to some other threshold value so that m1 does not start sliding. So you would have a range of accelerations which would satisfy.

It could be possible that there is only one critical value of acceleration which satisfies both. Or it could work out that the 2 inequalities do not intersect, and there is no solution.
 
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Further to scottdave's reply, there are several errors in the problem statement.
μs.. is not a force, it is a coefficient of friction. If the normal force is N, and there is no slippage, and the actual frictional force is Fs then the formula is |Fs|≤μsN. Note the ≤, not =.
As scottdave writes, this leads to two constraints on the applied force, F, which might or might not allow some range of solutions.
And on a pedantic note, you mean that the two smaller masses do not move relative to M.
 
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I think the total force on M in the x-axis should be ##F-F_{sM}-F_{m_2M}-F_{sm_1}##. Other than that you should replace some equalities with inequalities. for example I think it should be ##F_{sm_1}\geq m_1a##

Nice problem you made (and also the solution is very good , with detailed schemes and equations). It remembered me of a similar problem my teacher made up when I was in high school (about 30 years ago). I gave you a like for this :D.
 
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