Modulation & demodulation of GPS output digital data

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The discussion centers around the integration of GPS digital output, specifically latitude and longitude data, into an existing analog audio signal without causing interference or exceeding bandwidth limitations. The conversation explores modulation techniques suitable for this integration and the necessary components for both transmission and reception of the combined signal.

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Main Points Raised

  • One proposed method involves modulating the GPS data using techniques like FSK or PSK within the 20 kHz - 40 kHz range to avoid interference with the audio signal.
  • Questions were raised about the frequency of GPS data changes and the limitations of existing circuitry designed solely for audio frequencies.
  • Some participants suggested considering an all-digital solution if hardware updates are necessary to accommodate a wider signal bandwidth.
  • A suggestion was made to use a variant of the Radio Data System, which may offer ready-made solutions for the integration.
  • Participants discussed the importance of knowing the bandwidth of the baseband signal containing the GPS data and how often the data needs to be sent, which affects the required bandwidth.
  • One participant recommended phase modulating the NMEA string from a GPS receiver onto a sub-carrier above the audio pass-band and using a low-pass filter to separate the signals.
  • Clarification was provided regarding the terminology used, distinguishing between "GPS Data" and "Position Data," with a focus on the digital format of latitude and longitude data.

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Participants express varying opinions on the best approach to integrate GPS data into the audio signal, with no consensus on a single solution. There are multiple competing views regarding modulation techniques and hardware requirements.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the existing circuitry's design for audio frequencies, which may restrict the integration of out-of-band signals. The discussion also highlights the need for further clarification on the bandwidth requirements for the GPS data transmission.

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Hi all

I need to add GPS digital output (in form of Lat/Long) in an existing analog audio signal whose bandwidth is 100 Hz-20 KHz. This GPS data should be added in such a way that it should not interfere with audio signal neither total bandwidth of analog signal should exceed 40 KHz. This implies that GPS data should lie within 20 KHz-40 KHz bandwidth.

One way to add GPS digital data in analog signal may be to modulate it (e.g. FSK/PSK) in frequency range of 20 KHz - 40 KHz and then add this modulated signal in existing analog audio signal.

Kindly guide me if there is any COTs solution available which can be used for this purpose? Thanks

Note: A solution is also required on receiving end where audio and GPS data are being separated and modulated GPS data is also converted back into digital Lat/Long data.
 
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How quickly is the GPS data changing? What does the analog TX and RX circuitry look like? What limits the existing circuitry to the 100Hz-20kHz range? It may be non-trivial to try to add in an out-of-band signal, depending on the hardware you have there now.

If you need to update the hardware to accommodate the wider signal bandwidth, have you considered switching to an all-digital solution?
 
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What needs to be known is the bandwidth of the baseband signal containing the GPS data. @Borek is on the right track. @berkeman asked a very good question as well concerning how often the data changes which translates to how often do you need to send the data which can translate into how fast does the data need to be sent and ultimately how little bandwidth the signal could get by with.
 
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berkeman said:
How quickly is the GPS data changing?
GPS data needs to be send after every 3 to 4 seconds
 
berkeman said:
What limits the existing circuitry to the 100Hz-20kHz range?
The existing circuitry is designed for audio frequency range only
 
Take the NMEA string from a GPS receiver, at 4800 baud. Phase modulate that onto a sub-carrier, that is above the audio pass-band. Use a low-pass filter to remove the sub-carrier and data from the audio output.

Lock a PLL to the sub-carrier and data, then phase detect the NMEA data.
 
Baluncore said:
Take the NMEA string from a GPS receiver, at 4800 baud. Phase modulate that onto a sub-carrier, that is above the audio pass-band. Use a low-pass filter to remove the sub-carrier and data from the audio output.

Lock a PLL to the sub-carrier and data, then phase detect the NMEA data.
Thanks for help. Is there any micro controller/ICs which can do these tasks?
 
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I think you mean "Position Data." "GPS Data" is a term typically reserved (maybe just me?) for the 50 BPS information encoded in the L-Band signals from GPS spacecraft. /Hairsplit
 
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Dullard said:
I think you mean "Position Data." "GPS Data" is a term typically reserved (maybe just me?) for the 50 BPS information encoded in the L-Band signals from GPS spacecraft. /Hairsplit
Yes, i meant Lat/Long data in digital format
 

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