What is the Importance of Choosing the Correct Endpoint in a Titration?

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The discussion revolves around the importance of selecting the correct endpoint in a titration involving a diprotic acid. Participants explore the implications of using different endpoints on the calculation of molar mass and the stoichiometry of the reaction. The conversation includes technical details related to experimental procedures and calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their calculations for the molar mass of H2X based on the second equivalence point, yielding a result of 49.35 g/mol.
  • Another participant recalculates the moles of NaOH used and suggests that the molar mass can be derived from the amount of H2X, but arrives at a different value of 24.29 g/mol.
  • A third participant agrees with the first calculation but questions the choice of endpoint, noting that using the first endpoint yields a significantly different molar mass of 98 g/mol.
  • Some participants highlight that the first endpoint corresponds to a monoprotic acid, while the second endpoint relates to the diprotic nature of H2X.
  • There is a discussion about the detection of endpoints and the necessity of ensuring the titration is complete to accurately determine the number of endpoints present.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate endpoint to use for calculations, with no consensus reached on which endpoint is definitively correct. There is acknowledgment of the different stoichiometries involved, but the implications of these differences remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations appear to be based on different interpretations of the titration data, leading to varying results for the molar mass. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the correct endpoint and its impact on stoichiometric calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators in chemistry, particularly those studying titration techniques and the implications of endpoint selection in acid-base reactions.

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Hey, I've been having some trouble with my Lab report. After doing a titration of an unknown diprotic acid we had to find the molar mass of the acid and then find out which acid it is by comparing it to a list of given acids with molar masses. But when I run through the calculations my answer is off by quite a bit to list (lowest molar mass there being 104)

1. Homework Statement

Determine the molar mass of H2X based on the number of moles of NaOH used in the titration.

Concentration of NaOH = 0.2M
Mass of unknown = 0.0987 g
Volume used (first equivalence point) = 10.49 mL
Volume used (second equivalence point) = 20.31 mL

Endpoints were found via 1st and 2nd derivative
The 2nd equivalence point is steeper so it will be used for the calculation

Homework Equations


n=m/M
n=cv

The Attempt at a Solution



n=cv
Moles of NaOH = 0.2(20.31/1000)
= 0.004 mols
H2X : NaOH = 1:2

Mols of H2x = 0.002 mols

M=m/n
0.0987/0.002
M= 49.35g
 
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Reviewing your given experimental information,
Dissolved 0.0987 grams of H2X and titrated to second equivalence point volume 20.31 mL of 0.2 M NaOH

0.2(moles/liter)*0.02031*liters=0.004062 moles of NaOH
which means that
0.0987 grams of H2X contains 0.004062 moles of H+1 .

Can you use this to find the formula weight for H2X ?
 
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symbolipoint said:
Reviewing your given experimental information,
Dissolved 0.0987 grams of H2X and titrated to second equivalence point volume 20.31 mL of 0.2 M NaOH

0.2(moles/liter)*0.02031*liters=0.04062 moles of NaOH
which means that
0.0987 grams of H2X contains 0.04062 moles of H+1 .

Can you use this to find the formula weight for H2X ?

using M=m/n I get formula weight to be 24.29g/mol
 
I got 48.6 g/mol (without rounding intermediate results, which you should never do). Your number is in a correct ballpark (that is, correctly calculated from the given data). No idea what and where went wrong, but it is not the calculation to blame.
 
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Borek said:
I got 48.6 g/mol (without rounding intermediate results, which you should never do). Your number is in a correct ballpark (that is, correctly calculated from the given data). No idea what and where went wrong, but it is not the calculation to blame.

When doing the same calculation for the first endpoint (10.24 mL used) I get a molar mass of 98g/mol. Should it matter which endpoint I use for the calculation?
 
Valenti said:
When doing the same calculation for the first endpoint (10.24 mL used) I get a molar mass of 98g/mol.

At the first endpoint what you have neutralized was a monoprotic acid, not a diprotic.
 
First, or Second endpoint to use - depends on how fast pH changes with change in titrant volume. You still need to be sure titration is complete enough so you can decide if you have one or two (or maybe more) endpoints.
 
symbolipoint said:
First, or Second endpoint to use - depends on how fast pH changes

Yes, one should choose the endpoint which is easier to detect, at the same time they can't be treated the same way as they mean different stoichiometry of the neutralization, which is apparently what OP missed.
 

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