Molecular Spin Number: Uncovering the Secrets of Nuclear Spin in Molecules

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on determining the spin number of molecules, specifically using water as an example. It explores the relevance of nuclear and electron spins in various contexts, including spectroscopy and MRI applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the methodology for finding the spin number of a molecule like water, questioning the roles of nuclear and electron spins.
  • Another participant asserts that typically only the total spin of the electrons is considered relevant for spectroscopy, while the individual spins of protons and neutrons are deemed irrelevant.
  • A later reply reiterates the previous point about the irrelevance of individual nuclear spins, but raises a question regarding the implications for MRI, suggesting that the energy of molecules in the body may depend on the entire spin of the molecule in a magnetic field.
  • In response, a participant clarifies that MRI specifically probes individual nuclear spins, implying a distinction in relevance between different contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of nuclear spins versus electron spins, particularly in the context of spectroscopy and MRI. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these spins in practical applications.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the importance of nuclear spins in determining molecular spin numbers, and the discussion highlights potential dependencies on specific applications like MRI.

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How does one go about finding the spin number for a molecule like water for example? Do we consider the spin of the nuclei (e.g. proton, neutrons), and also look at which electrons are shared and not?
 
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One usually considers only the total spin of the electrons, which is what is relevant spectroscopically. The spin of the nuclei might be relevant in some cases, but I have never seen the total spin of a molecule, or an atom for that matter.

The spin of the individual protons and neutrons is not relevant,only the total spin of the nuclei.
 
DrClaude said:
One usually considers only the total spin of the electrons, which is what is relevant spectroscopically. The spin of the nuclei might be relevant in some cases, but I have never seen the total spin of a molecule, or an atom for that matter.

The spin of the individual protons and neutrons is not relevant,only the total spin of the nuclei.

Oh really? So if considering MRI for example, doesn't the energy of molecules in the person's body depend on the entire spin of the molecule under influence from the magnetic field?
 
TheCanadian said:
Oh really? So if considering MRI for example, doesn't the energy of molecules in the person's body depend on the entire spin of the molecule under influence from the magnetic field?
No, MRI probes individual nuclear spins.
 

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