Moment of inertia (structural shapes)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around comparing the moment of inertia of different structural shapes, specifically hollow structures like pipes and square tubes versus open structures such as channels and angle iron. The focus is on ensuring that the moment of inertia of the alternative shapes meets or exceeds that of the original shapes, considering factors like stiffness and torsional properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests comparing the moment of inertia of hollow structures with open structures to ensure structural integrity.
  • Another participant raises the importance of considering torsional rigidity and lateral-torsional buckling, depending on the loading conditions.
  • A participant agrees that comparing moment of inertia is correct for stiffness but notes that torsional properties differ significantly between shapes.
  • One participant calculates the moment of inertia for a 4x4x1/4 angle and discusses the need for a specific thickness of plate to match the moment of inertia of a 3" pipe.
  • Another participant confirms the calculations and emphasizes the need for further information regarding the specific application to provide more accurate advice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of comparing moment of inertia for stiffness but express differing views on the significance of torsional properties and the specific requirements for matching the structural integrity of the shapes discussed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to ensure adequate performance under various loading conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention torsional rigidity and lateral-torsional buckling as factors that may influence the choice of structural shape, but the specific loading conditions and application details are not fully defined, leaving some assumptions unaddressed.

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I'm working on a project to replace hollow structures, (pipe, sq. tube, ect...) with open structures, (channels, angle iron, ect...). It's been a while and I think that all I would have to do is compair the moment of inertia for each of these shapes and make sure that they match or are larger than that of the original shape.

example:
3" sch40 pipe, 3.5" OD, 3.068" ID
I=3.016

equivalent angle iron
4"x4"x1/4"
I=3.04

Sorry if this is a stupid question, it's been years since I've had to do anything like this.

Thanks
 
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You might need to see if there are any other questions as to torsional rigidity etc. Depending on the loading involved, lateral-torsional buckling and/or torsional rigidity might come into play.
 
Thanks calebking

Tortional loading shouldn't be a problem in this situation
 
For stiffness comparing the moment of inertia is correct. Not sure what it's for but I agree with caleb, the torsional properties are quite different, and they are usually important. For example your steel angle will naturally twist when in bending and will eventually provide only it's lowest stiffness, Ixy (the I about a line 45 degrees to the legs, it becomes a V rather than L). S
 
So if I'm looking at this right the I that I would be getting withy a 4x4x1/4 angle would be somewhere in the realm of 1.22in^4 and that is what I need to be matching with the I of a round pipe? So for a 4x4 to match up with a 3" pipe I would need somewhere between 5/8"-3/4" plate to get an I above 3.
 
famine, you are picking up what I am laying down, yes between an L4x4x5/8 and an L4x4x3/4. That's unrestrained and in bending, again, do not know what your example is with the limited info provided. S
 

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