Momentum Conservation: How to Reconcile a Negative Value?

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the conservation of momentum, specifically addressing the reconciliation of a negative value obtained during calculations. Participants are exploring the implications of vector quantities in momentum and the directionality of forces involved in a mechanics context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the assignment of directions to vectors and how negative values can indicate opposite directions. There are mentions of using vector drawings to clarify signs and the importance of keeping track of units.

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Some participants have offered insights into the nature of vector quantities and how negative results can be interpreted in terms of direction. There is an acknowledgment of the confusion surrounding the initial assumptions about the direction of momentum, and the conversation is actively exploring these concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants are considering the implications of assigning directions to unknown vectors and how this affects the interpretation of results in mechanics problems. The discussion highlights the importance of clarity in vector representation and the potential for misunderstanding when assumptions are not clearly defined.

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A canon fires a cannonball of mass 55kg at 35ms^-1. The cannon recoils at 2.5 ms^-1.

What is the mass of the cannon?
Relevant Equations
p=mv
Maybe a silly question but on the above question using the conservation of momentum:

momentum before firing (0) = momentum after firing (55*35)+(M*2.5)

If I re-range the above it's M = -(55*35)/2.5 = -770kg. I can I reconcile that minus sign (basically get rid of it)?

Thanks
 
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The momentum and velocity are vector quantities. The velocities are in opposite directions so one of them is negative.
 
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It wasn't the question that was silly: it was having the cannon recoil in the same direction as the cannonball!
 
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With these kinds of mechanics problems, making a vector drawing is really useful for keeping track of your signs ... also remember units.
 
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Thanks everyone! A DOH! moment for me. Keeping track of the vectors is very useful
 
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Shaye said:
I can I reconcile that minus sign (basically get rid of it)?
Actually the question is not silly in my opinion, yes there is a way to reconcile the negative sign without fudging the answer and I think @Shaye will profit from seeing how.

In mechanics problems, one often assigns a direction to an unknown vector and a symbol to its magnitude, goes through the calculations and if the magnitude turns out negative, then the actual direction is opposite to the initially assigned direction. The same method is famously used in circuit analysis when one assigns a direction to the current in a given loop, goes through the calculations and, if said current turns out negative, it actually flows in the opposite direction.

Here we have exactly the same principle at work. @Shaye chose the recoil momentum to be in the same direction as the cannonball, the magnitude of the momentum came out negative after the calculation, therefore ##\dots##
 
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