Momentum/Conservation of Energy problem.

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The problem involves a bullet passing through a pendulum bob and requires determining the minimum initial speed of the bullet for the pendulum to complete a vertical swing. The context includes concepts from momentum and conservation of energy, specifically focusing on the interactions between the bullet and the pendulum bob.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the minimum velocity using energy conservation principles, but questions arise regarding the implications of their calculations, particularly about kinetic and potential energy at the top of the swing.
  • Some participants express confusion about the meaning of "script i" and its relevance to the problem setup.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the pendulum's rod being stiff and how that affects the calculations.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their derived equations and questioning the assumptions made in the original poster's approach. Some participants suggest that the original poster clarify their method, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus on the correct solution.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the pendulum's setup, including the mass of the rod and the conditions necessary for the pendulum to complete a vertical circle. There is also uncertainty regarding the initial conditions and the definitions of kinetic and potential energy in this context.

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I am given the problem:

As shown below, a bullet of mass m and speed v passes completely through a pendulum bob of mass M. The bullet emerges with a speed of v/2. The pendulum bob is suspended by a stiff rod of length script i and negligible mass. What is the minimum value of v such that the pendulum bob will barely swing through a complete vertical circle? (Use L for script i, g for gravity, and M and m as appropriate.)

And I derive minimum velocity initial as v = (2M/m)*sqrt(5gL) where as every solution I find is 4M/m*sqrt(gL). I am only able to get this when saying that K_i = 2m*g*L. That is, the initial kinetic energy of the suspended mass is the potential at the top of the swing.

Though, wouldn't this imply that the kinetic energy at the top of the swing is zero, and thus zero velocity? And if that was the case, wouldn't the mass free fall (no radial acceleration)? What I did was say the velocity at the top should be such that the downward radial acceleration is g, or v_top = sqrt(g*L).

EDIT:
Wait, I just caught something. It says stiff rod. They should bold that... So is my other solution correct given a "negligible" massed string then? :D
 
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Can you show how you got v = (2M/m)*sqrt(5gL)?
 
Sefrez said:
As shown below, a bullet of mass m and speed v passes completely through a pendulum bob of mass M. The bullet emerges with a speed of v/2. The pendulum bob is suspended by a stiff rod of length script i and negligible mass. What is the minimum value of v such that the pendulum bob will barely swing through a complete vertical circle? (Use L for script i, g for gravity, and M and m as appropriate.)
What is meant by "script i"?

And I derive minimum velocity initial as v = (2M/m)*sqrt(5gL) where as every solution I find is 4M/m*sqrt(gL). I am only able to get this when saying that K_i = 2m*g*L. That is, the initial kinetic energy of the suspended mass is the potential at the top of the swing.
K.E. = P.E. sounds good. 4M/m*sqrt(gL) seems right.

Though, wouldn't this imply that the kinetic energy at the top of the swing is zero, and thus zero velocity?
Yes.
 
I got the same as NascentOxygen got. That is the reason for suggesting to the OP to show the method.
 

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