Momentum Conservation - so hard

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The problem involves two automobiles colliding at an intersection, with given masses and velocities. The scenario is framed within the context of momentum conservation, specifically addressing a completely inelastic collision.

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  • Participants discuss the vector nature of momentum and the need for vector addition in calculating total momentum after the collision. Some express confusion about the correct method for combining velocities and momenta, while others suggest using the Pythagorean theorem for momentum vectors.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to calculate the final velocity after the collision. Some participants have provided guidance on the correct approach to use momentum vectors, while others are still questioning their understanding of the calculations involved.

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Participants note confusion regarding the application of momentum conservation principles and the transition from velocity to momentum calculations. There is also mention of discrepancies in expected answers, indicating potential misunderstandings in the setup or calculations.

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Momentum Conservation --- so hard!

Homework Statement


Two automobiles collide at an intersection. One car of mass 1.4 X 10^3 kg is traveling at 45km/h ; the other car of mass 1.3 X 10^3 kg is traveling at 39km/h [E]. If the cars have a completely inelastic collision, what is their velocity just after collision?


Homework Equations


v1m1 + v2m2 = v(m1 + m2)


The Attempt at a Solution



Given information:
m1 = 1.4 X 10^3 kg
m2 = 1.3 X 10^3 kg
v1 = 45km/h --> 12.5 m/s
v2 = 39 km/h [E] --> 10.83 m/s
vf ' = ?

v1m1 + v2m2 = v(m1 + m2)
(12.5)(1.4 X 10^3) + (10.83)(1.3 X 10^3) = v (1.4 X 10^3 + 1.3 X 10^3 kg)
v = 11.7 m/s --> 42 km/H

But the answer that I get is wrong. So anyone please help me how to do this. Thanks.
The correct answer is 30 km/h.
 
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vector addition

Realize that momentum is a vector. Add the momentum vectors to get the total momentum of the cars after they collide and stick together.
 
I am really confused.

Do I do the following:[tex]\sqrt{10.8^2 + 12.5^2}[/tex]

I am not sure what to do since there are so many ways to do this, and I am not sure where to begin.
 
rum2563 said:
Do I do the following:[tex]\sqrt{10.8^2 + 12.5^2}[/tex]
Not exactly. You added the squares of the velocities; you should have added the squares of the momenta = mass*velocity.
 
Oohhh. ok.

I did this:

p1= m1v1
= (1.4 X 10 ^3)(12.5)
= 17500 kg.m/s

p2= m2v2
= (1.3 X 10 ^3)(10.8)
= 14040 kg.m/s

[tex]\sqrt{17500^2 + 14040^2}[/tex]
= 2.24 X 10^4 kg.m/s

Now I think I got it:
2.24 X 10^4 = v (m1 + m2)
v = (2.24 X 10^4)/(1.4 X 10 ^3 + 1.3 X 10 ^3)
v= 8.296296296 m/s
v = 29.86666667 km/h

Therefore, the speed is 30 km/h.

Wow. Thanks for this Doc Al. I appreciate your help very much. You are the best.
 
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