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MOND paper says Bullet Cluster poses problems for Lambda-CDM

  1. Feb 28, 2011 #1
    I was reading a recent paper on arXiv.org on a novel simulation of MOND, and surprisingly they addressed the Bullet Cluster, which I guess is one of the more serious problems for MOND. What was even more surprising was that they said this posed a problem for Lamda-CDM models as well. Here is the quote:

    Page 3, third to last paragraph in this paper: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1102/1102.3913v1.pdf

    Can someone explain what exactly the problem is? I was under the assumption that the Bullet Cluster was explained pretty well by dark matter.
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2011
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  3. Feb 28, 2011 #2
    That 4700 km/s is the shock velocity and is not the velocity of the subcluster. The shock velocity measures the relative velocity of the intracluster medium involved in the collision -- the "ambient" medium ahead of the shock also has some velocity component (around 1000 km/s towards the shock). Springel et al. http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0703232v2" [Broken]showed that the subcluster velocity is more likely to be ~2600km/s.

    Also, I think they have not understood what was done in the Jee & Komatsu paper they cite, which also has problems.
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  4. Feb 28, 2011 #3
    The General Argument:
    The dynamics of the bullet cluster clearly show a discrepancy between the majority of the mass (interpreted as dark matter) and the majority of the observable material (gas and light). MOND (to my knowledge) has no way of interpreting or explaining this.

    This quotation:
    Is discussing something completely different than what's usually discussed. This argument is suggesting that the collision itself shouldn't have taken place in Lambda-CDM, but is natural in MOND (I don't see why that would be the case).

    1) The fundamental issue remains, which I don't think MOND can explain (or even address---as exemplified by the author's deferral of the issue).

    2) I'm very dubious of their statistics here... presumably they're using some velocity distribution of clusters and finding the probability that these will collide at said velocity. This wouldn't take into account the (entirely unknown) evolutionary history of the clusters or that region of the universe.
    *** EDIT: See @Matt.o above for a more educated analysis of this point ***
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