Mössbauer Effect Explained: Physics & Effects

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The discussion revolves around the Mössbauer effect, focusing on its implications for gamma absorption and emission in solids compared to gases. Participants explore the mechanics of nuclear transitions, recoil effects, and the conditions necessary for the effect to occur, as well as the experimental setups involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the significance of recoil in the emission of gamma rays and its impact on energy transfer, suggesting that the emitted gamma should still excite another nucleus to the same energy level.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for the initial photon to have the exact energy required for the transition, noting that without the Mössbauer effect, the energy would be slightly less than needed.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of the reverse transition and whether it can indeed excite another nucleus to the same energy level, with some suggesting that the energy might not be sufficient due to recoil effects.
  • Discussion includes the idea that at room temperature, the emission of phonons could smear the energy of emitted gammas, while at lower temperatures, fewer phonons might lead to more precise emissions.
  • Some participants express confusion about the fixed positions of nuclei in a crystal and the implications of recoil for the crystal as a whole, questioning whether oscillations could occur without affecting the crystal structure.
  • One participant provides a rough estimate of recoil energy in relation to atomic mass, suggesting that the velocity from recoil might not significantly affect the lattice structure.
  • Another participant clarifies that exciting a phonon requires much smaller energies compared to displacing atoms in a crystal lattice, indicating a difference in energy scales involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the significance of recoil, the nature of energy transitions, and the implications for experimental setups. There is no consensus on these points, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for precise energy levels in gamma emissions and the effects of temperature on phonon interactions, indicating that assumptions about energy transfer and recoil dynamics are not fully resolved.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mössbauer_effect

I was looking at this article, trying to prepare myself for experimenting this effect. What I understood is that Moessbauer effect explains the reason why you can have gamma absorption/emission in solids while you can't for gases.
However at the description it says:
In a transition of a nucleus from a higher to a lower energy state with accompanying emission of gamma rays, the emission generally causes the nucleus to recoil, and this takes energy from the emitted gamma rays. Thus the gamma rays do not have sufficient energy to excite a target nucleus to be examined. However, Mössbauer discovered that is possible to have transitions in which the recoil is absorbed by a whole crystal in which the emitting nucleus is bound. Under these circumstances, the energy that goes into the recoil is a negligible portion of the energy of the transition. Therefore the emitted gamma rays carry virtually all of the energy liberated by the nuclear transition. The gamma rays thus are able to induce a reverse transition, under similar conditions of negligible recoil, in a target nucleus of the same material as the emitter but in a lower energy state

From this I don't understand what's the problem of the recoiling...
You send some gamma on a nucleus, it gets excited and then it emits the extra energy in another gamma and recoiling. Why should we care about the last gamma's energy?

Secondly, what is the reverse transition? If it means that they can be reabsorbed by another nucleus of the same matterial, then it should excite it in the same energy level and not less. Suppose you have a 3MeV ray emitted from the 1st nucleus, it should excite the 2nd to 3 MeV again...and so on...

Finally I don't understand why nuclei have fixed positions in a crystal and the recoil is taking place for the crystal as a whole. Couldn't they be recoiled but nothing happen to the crystal? like for example cause some oscillations within it. As far as I know the states [gas to solid] is an atomic thing, so why would it concern the nuclei?
 
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You need to read beyond wikipedia - which is not, on the whole, very good for learning physics or preparing for a physics course. What other sources have you tried?

Did you see what the phenomena of the mossbauer effect is - think about it in terms of an experimental setup: what gets detected?
 
ChrisVer said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mössbauer_effect

I was looking at this article, trying to prepare myself for experimenting this effect. What I understood is that Moessbauer effect explains the reason why you can have gamma absorption/emission in solids while you can't for gases.
However at the description it says:From this I don't understand what's the problem of the recoiling...
You send some gamma on a nucleus, it gets excited and then it emits the extra energy in another gamma and recoiling. Why should we care about the last gamma's energy?

Secondly, what is the reverse transition? If it means that they can be reabsorbed by another nucleus of the same matterial, then it should excite it in the same energy level and not less. Suppose you have a 3MeV ray emitted from the 1st nucleus, it should excite the 2nd to 3 MeV again...and so on...

Finally I don't understand why nuclei have fixed positions in a crystal and the recoil is taking place for the crystal as a whole. Couldn't they be recoiled but nothing happen to the crystal? like for example cause some oscillations within it. As far as I know the states [gas to solid] is an atomic thing, so why would it concern the nuclei?
I think the transition in question has a relatively long life (compared with its energy), so that gammas emitted would, if the nucleus could be "bolted down", have a very narrow energy spectrum, Δ, the recoil can however "smear out" the narrow gamma spectrum.

I think that under the right conditions the gravitational energy difference of 3 or 4 stories is enough to shift the energy between the emitter and absorber so that they are off resonance, the energy spectrum is that narrow. Also, at relative speeds between the emitter and absorber of order mm/ sec is enough to doppler shift out of resonance.

At room temperature, after a gamma emission, the nucleus has two options, produce a quantum of sound, a phonon, or give its recoil energy to the the crystal as a whole. At room temp with many phonons around you might say that the existing phonons stimulate the emission of another phonon of the same type? This smears out the energy of the emitted gammas.

At low temps with fewer phonons they don't do as much stimulation so we get more phonon-less gamma emission.

Hopefully better late then never.

See also,

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/mossfe.html
 
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ChrisVer said:
You send some gamma on a nucleus, it gets excited and then it emits the extra energy in another gamma and recoiling.
How do you get the initial photon with "exactly" the right energy? It has to be a bit higher than the transition energy as the excited atom will move (due to the momentum of the photon).

Secondly, what is the reverse transition? If it means that they can be reabsorbed by another nucleus of the same matterial, then it should excite it in the same energy level and not less. Suppose you have a 3MeV ray emitted from the 1st nucleus, it should excite the 2nd to 3 MeV again...and so on...
But without the Moessbauer effect, the photon won't have 3 MeV, it just has 2.9999 MeV (or something similar).

Finally I don't understand why nuclei have fixed positions in a crystal and the recoil is taking place for the crystal as a whole. Couldn't they be recoiled but nothing happen to the crystal? like for example cause some oscillations within it. As far as I know the states [gas to solid] is an atomic thing, so why would it concern the nuclei?
The electrons follow the nucleus. A nuclear recoil is always a recoil of the whole atom. How do you imagine "nothing happens" if you start moving an atom?
 
for the last- Suppose that the recoil energy will be of the order of 1 MeV (and I'm exaggerating, eg for the Fe57 it's ~\frac{196keV^2}{2m_p})... the mass of the atom will be at least of 1GeV (\sim m_{p}.. I didn't thinnk its velocity will be so large to change anything within the lattice
 
Exciting a phonon ("sound") needs tiny energies, some meV (milli, not Mega!) are sufficient. Displacing atoms in crystal lattices is possible with typical energies of 10 to 100 eV.
 

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