Discussion Overview
The discussion centers on identifying candidates for the most indecisive battles in history, exploring the definitions and implications of "indecisive" in various historical contexts. Participants consider examples from different wars and time periods, including World War I, the American Civil War, and the Vietnam War, among others.
Discussion Character
- Debate/contested
- Exploratory
- Historical
Main Points Raised
- Some participants suggest defining "indecisive" more clearly, with examples like the Penobscot Expedition and the battles of the Isonzo in WWI.
- Others propose that many battles in modern conflicts, such as those in Vietnam, ended without clear decisions, often lacking comprehensive objectives.
- The Battle of Antietam is mentioned as tactically inconclusive but strategically significant due to the Confederate withdrawal.
- Participants discuss the implications of stalemates, arguing that they can be victories depending on the political objectives of the combatants.
- The discussion includes references to the Battle of New Orleans and the Battle of Smolensk, highlighting their complex outcomes.
- Some participants note that battles fought after wars have ended, like the Battle of New Orleans, may also be considered indecisive.
- There is mention of the Battle off Samar and the battles of the Monitor and Merrimac as examples of indecisive naval encounters.
- One participant suggests that any battle not on a list of decisive battles could be considered indecisive, but this requires a clear definition of "decisive."
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on what constitutes an indecisive battle, with no consensus reached on specific examples or definitions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the criteria for indecisiveness and the implications of various historical battles.
Contextual Notes
Participants highlight the need for clearer definitions of terms like "indecisive" and "decisive," as well as the importance of considering political objectives when evaluating battles. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and assumptions about historical events.