Motor Speed and Torque Relationship

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between motor speed and torque, particularly in the context of electric motors and variable frequency drives. Participants explore how torque and speed interact under varying load conditions and the implications for motor control systems.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether constant torque can be assumed when an electric motor is spinning a load at a certain speed, suggesting that torque must increase if the load becomes more difficult to spin.
  • Another participant mentions that DC motor controllers can maintain speed despite changing loads and can also modify speed under load, indicating that both torque and speed can be controlled within certain limits.
  • There is a discussion about the torque versus RPM characteristics of an idealized motor, where maximum torque occurs at stall and zero torque at maximum RPM, with a linear torque curve.
  • A participant notes that if the load changes while speed remains constant, this implies a change in torque and consequently a change in power output.
  • The inverse relationship between speed and torque is highlighted, suggesting that maximum power output occurs at half speed and half torque.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the control of torque and speed, with some suggesting that only one can be controlled at a time while others argue that both can be managed under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of load changes on torque and speed control.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference idealized motor behavior and specific characteristics of DC motors, but there are no consensus definitions or clarifications on the limits of these behaviors in practical applications.

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I have a question/assumption that I'm not sure whether or not it is correct. Imagine I have an electric motor, if I have this motor spinning a load at a certain speed, can I assume that there is constant torque? That is, as long as the load isn't changing.

However, if the load changes and becomes more difficult to spin yet the motor compensates and continue running the load at the same speed as before, this would require the torque to increase?

This question originates from a variable frequency drive that can either control torque or speed of a motor. I was originally thinking that both variables could be controlled at the same time, however, now I feel like only one variable can be controlled at a time. Since at a constant load, the speed and torque will be locked together? Is it safe to assume that a motor can only control speed or torque one at a time?
 
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I don't know about a variable frequency drive, but for dc motors there are controllers that can maintain speed in spite of a changing load, and also modify the speed in spite of the load, up to the limits of the motor.

For an idealized motor, max torque occurs when the motor is stalled (until it overheats), and zero torque occurs at max rpm, and the torque versus rpm "curve" is a straight line. Maximum power occurs at 1/2 of max rpm.
 
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rcgldr said:
I don't know about a variable frequency drive, but for dc motors there are controllers that can maintain speed in spite of a changing load, and also modify the speed in spite of the load, up to the limits of the motor.

For an idealized motor, max torque occurs when the motor is stalled (until it overheats), and zero torque occurs at max rpm, and the torque versus rpm "curve" is a straight line. Maximum power occurs at 1/2 of max rpm.

However, you're saying that if the load is changing and the speed is remaining constant, that would mean the torque is changing which also mean there is a change in power output?

And I really like the second part you included. The inverse relationship between speed and torque would suggest that the power out putted would be greatest at half speed, half torque.
 
tomizzo said:
The inverse relationship between speed and torque would suggest that the power out putted would be greatest at half speed, half torque.
Scroll down about 2/3rds of this page to see some graphs of an idealized dc motor.

http://lancet.mit.edu/motors/motors3.html
 

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