MP3, WAV, FLAC or APE: which one has the better sound quality?

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The discussion revolves around the sound quality of various audio file formats, specifically MP3, WAV, FLAC, and APE. Participants explore the implications of file size, compression, and lossless versus lossy formats, as well as the relevance of bit rates in audio fidelity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that WAV files, despite their larger size, provide the best sound quality.
  • Others note that modern file transfers often favor smaller formats like MP3 due to bandwidth considerations.
  • It is mentioned that APE and FLAC are lossless formats, which theoretically produce identical output waveforms to WAV files if there are no software flaws.
  • Some participants discuss the significance of bit rates, suggesting that at high bit rates, the differences between MP3 and lossless formats may become audibly insignificant.
  • One participant questions the relevance of encoding transients in WAV files that audio equipment cannot reproduce, suggesting that this diminishes the importance of fidelity in certain contexts.
  • There is a correction regarding the bit rate of audio CDs, with clarification that it is 1,411 kbps, not 320 bps.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the superiority of audio formats, with some advocating for WAV while others highlight the benefits of lossless formats like FLAC and APE. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which format ultimately offers the best sound quality.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the capabilities of audio equipment and the subjective nature of sound quality preferences. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with audio formats and their technical specifications.

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It seems to me though WAV files are heavier than the others in bytes it has the best sound quality.

It's interesting since nowadays you can download more quickly (who knows perhaps this is also a lie... :cool: ) files, so why bother for MP3 or FLAC, the good old WAV file is da best!

Unless of course you have constant interruptions in your internet connection.

YEAH I know I am old since I still listen to music through winamp... :oldbiggrin:
 
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jedishrfu said:
Most files now seem to mp4 based
I think you mean mp3.

MathematicalPhysicist said:
It seems to me though WAV files are heavier than the others in bytes it has the best sound quality.
APE and FLAC are lossless formats so unless there is a flaw in your software they result in exactly the same data being sent to the DAC as from a WAV file and therefore identical output waveforms. APE is proprietory whereas FLAC is an open format and is more widely supported.

At a sufficiently high bit rate the difference between the output waveform from mp3 data and the source becomes audibly insignificant. How high this bit rate is depends on the nature of the source and the characteristics of the DAC and amplification equipment, but it is often considered that the maximum bit rate of 320 Kbps is sufficient for any sonically relevant criteria (data from a normal stereo audio CD or WAV file is 1,411 Kbps).
 
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pbuk said:
I think you mean mp3.APE and FLAC are lossless formats so unless there is a flaw in your software they result in exactly the same data being sent to the DAC as from a WAV file and therefore identical output waveforms. APE is proprietory whereas FLAC is an open format and is more widely supported.

At a sufficiently high bit rate the difference between the output waveform from mp3 data and the source becomes audibly insignificant. How high this bit rate is depends on the nature of the source and the characteristics of the DAC and amplification equipment, but it is often considered that the maximum bit rate of 320bps is sufficient for any sonically relevant criteria (data from a normal stereo audio CD or WAV file is 1,411 kbps).
What sort of sonically criteria are there?
 
Well it is possible for a WAV file to encode a transient from -32,768 to +32,767 in 1/44,000 s, but no audio equipment is capable of reproducing this and no real audio source contains such a transient, so the fact that an mp3 file would not encode such a transient faithfully is not sonically relevant.
 
True, I tend to view mp4 files more than listen to MP3 music.
 
pbuk said:
(data from a normal stereo audio CD or WAV file is 1,411 kbps).
1411 kbps?
 
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sysprog said:
1411 kbps?
Yes Kbps: it was the 320 bps that was wrong: I have corrected it, thanks.
 
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