Multiple Particles in a Box: How Does the Schrodinger Equation Change?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Schrödinger equation to systems with multiple particles, specifically in a one-dimensional box. Participants explore how the equation changes when considering two or more particles, including the implications of particle identity and interactions.

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  • One participant questions whether the Schrödinger equation applies to multiple particles and suggests using either separate equations for each particle or a combined equation with a modified mass.
  • Another participant explains the wave function and Schrödinger equation for one particle and extends it to two non-interacting, non-identical particles, providing the mathematical form of the equations.
  • A participant raises the question of how the equations change if the particles are identical, indicating a shift in complexity.
  • Another participant notes the need to include spin terms and antisymmetrize the wave functions for identical particles, expressing uncertainty about the existence of a closed form solution in this scenario.

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Participants express differing views on how to approach the Schrödinger equation for multiple particles, particularly regarding the treatment of identical versus non-identical particles. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Assumptions about particle interactions and identities are not fully explored, and the implications of these assumptions on the solutions to the Schrödinger equation are not settled.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring the behavior of multiple particles in confined systems, may find this discussion relevant.

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The Schrödinger equation is for 1 particle in a system? If so what happens if there are two or more in a system such as a box?

Would you use two SEs or one with the mass as the combined mass of the particles. Or something else? I have a feeling the latter is the case as the two particles could be very different in terms of physical characteristics from each other.
 
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If it is specified that the particles are identical fermions or bosons, then stuff get difficult to understand. But if you ignore this statistical stuff temporarily, and just assume the particles are not identical, and also assume that the particles don't interact, then here's how it goes:

When you have one particle in a one dimensional box, the wave function is

[tex]\psi:\mathbb{R}\times[-R,R]\to\mathbb{C}[/tex], [tex]\psi(t,x)[/tex]

and the shrodinger's equation is

[tex]i\hbar\frac{d}{dt}\psi = (-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\partial^2 + U(x))\psi[/tex]

where the potential is constant on interval from -R to R, and infinite outside.

When you have two particles in a one dimensional box, the wave function is

[tex]\psi:\mathbb{R}\times[-R,R]\times[-R,R]\to\mathbb{C}[/tex], [tex]\psi(t,x_1,x_2)[/tex]

and the shrodinger's equation is

[tex] i\hbar\frac{d}{dt}\psi = (-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m_1}\partial^2_1 - \frac{\hbar^2}{2m_2}\partial^2_2 + U(x_1,x_2))\psi[/tex]

where the potential is some constant when [tex](x_1,x_2)\in[-R,R]^2[/tex], and infinite when both or just other parameter is outside the interval.

Does this make sense?
 
What happens if I assume the particles are identitical?
 
You need to add spin terms to the equation, and antisymmetrize the wave functions.

I do not know if this example has a closed form solution or not in this case
 

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