Muons result from cosmic rays, but cosmic rays are protons that decay?

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The discussion revolves around the production of muons from cosmic rays, specifically addressing the relationship between high-energy protons and their interactions in the atmosphere. Participants explore the nature of protons as stable particles and the processes that lead to the creation of muons, including collisions and decay processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how muons are produced, noting that cosmic rays are high-energy protons and expressing confusion about the stability of protons in relation to their decay into muons.
  • Another participant clarifies that protons do not decay into muons directly; instead, they collide with nuclei in the atmosphere, producing particles like charged pions that subsequently decay into muons.
  • A participant elaborates on the definition of decay, emphasizing that decay refers to the spontaneous decomposition of an isolated particle, while collisions involve multiple particles and do not constitute decay.
  • There is a discussion about whether protons can be decomposed by collisions, with some participants agreeing that protons can break into pions and other particles during such interactions.
  • Participants discuss the implications of collisions on the identity of protons, with one noting that it is not meaningful to ask what a proton transforms into after a collision, as baryon number is conserved.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of newly created particles during collisions, with some participants asserting that pions are produced alongside other particles and that they decay into muons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that protons do not decay in isolation and that collisions lead to the production of other particles, but there is no consensus on the implications of these processes for the identity of the proton or the specifics of how muons are produced from cosmic rays.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include varying definitions of decay and stability, as well as the complexity of particle interactions in high-energy collisions, which are not fully resolved.

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I am wondering how Muons are manufactured.

Wikipedia says they're the decay products of cosmic rays, and that cosmic rays are usually high energy protons.

So a high energy proton (cosmic ray) decays into a muon after colliding with matter on earth.
How is consistent with the fact that protons are so-called 'stable particles'?

Doesn't 'stable' mean 'won't decay'?
 
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AlexanderRios said:
So a high energy proton (cosmic ray) decays into a muon after colliding with matter on earth.

Not quite. A proton will collide with a nucleus in the upper atmosphere, creating many particles. Some of the created particles, for example charged pions, decay to muons. The proton itself does not decay.
 
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decay means that if you have an isolated proton, then it will remain a proton. Decays are of the form A \rightarrow B+C + .... For example the protons in a nucleus can go through a beta+ decay.

What happens in the atmosphere is something similar to what happens in a pp collider... you have a proton colliding with the matter [other nuclei] in the atmosphere, and then several particles can come out of this, as for example the pions which give you the muons.
 
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OK. So stable means won't decay if it doesn't collide with another particle?

Do protons that collide with other matter transmogrify into pions, and then the pions decay into muons?
Does the proton ever disappear or turn into something else?
 
So protons can be decomposed by collisions. Right?

I mean a proton (UUD) can collide and break into a pion (U/D) and other stuff too. Is this true?
 
'Decaying' is spontaneous decomposition?
 
stable means that it doesn't decay if it's isolated... The collision is not a decay (you have at least two particles participating). As I wrote above, proton would decay if a process like the
p \rightarrow [stuff]
was to happen. There is no such process. What is happening is the hard scattering of protons to neutrons or protons in the atmosphere. The result can be a lot of things, but most of these end up in pions, neutrons and protons. The charged pions then can decay with weak interactions and give muons. And this ends up creating a shower of particles in the upper atmosphere.
http://www.hawc-observatory.org/img/cosmic_interactions.gif

The proton can remain a proton or it can become something else.
 
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AlexanderRios said:
OK. So stable means won't decay if it doesn't collide with another particle?
It does not decay at all.
A collision process is not called "decay".

Do protons that collide with other matter transmogrify into pions, and then the pions decay into muons?
No, those pions are newly created particles. They get produced together with various other particles. The charged particles decay to muons (and a neutrino).

Often the proton completely breaks up, it is not meaningful to ask "what does the proton gets transformed to".
 
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mfb said:
Often the proton completely breaks up, it is not meaningful to ask "what does the proton gets transformed to".
Baryon number is conserved. So when the collision produces one or more antibaryons, it is not meaningful to ask which of the two or more baryons left is the original proton.

However, if the collision produces just leptons, mesons and various bosons then there will be just one baryon afterwards, and if not a proton then it is what the proton has been transformed to.
 

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