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The discussion revolves around the properties of the n-th root of a positive real number, specifically whether \( c^{1/n} > 0 \) for \( c > 0 \) and \( n \in \mathbb{N} \). Participants explore various approaches to prove this statement, including definitions, axioms, and references to external sources.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a method of contradiction to prove that \( c^{1/n} > 0 \), but encounters difficulties and seeks alternative approaches.
  • Another participant states that if \( n \) is odd, then \( c^{1/n} \) is positive because it shares the same sign as \( c \). However, for even \( n \), they note that the principal n-th root is defined to be positive.
  • A different participant questions whether these properties can be derived from field axioms, indicating a desire for a more foundational proof.
  • Another response reiterates that \( c^{1/n} \) is positive by definition for \( c > 0 \) and emphasizes the need to prove the existence of such a positive \( x \) satisfying \( x^n = c \).
  • One participant shares information from a Wikipedia article, highlighting that while positive real numbers have distinct n-th roots, the nature of these roots varies with the parity of \( n \) and the sign of the number.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the definitions and properties of n-th roots, with some agreeing on the positivity of the principal root while others explore the implications of different definitions and the need for proofs based on axioms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the foundational aspects of these properties.

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Participants reference definitions and properties that may depend on specific mathematical frameworks or axioms, indicating potential limitations in their arguments. The discussion also touches on the distinction between real and complex roots, which may not be fully addressed.

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Hi

Let \( c>0 \) be a real number. Then I am trying to prove that \( \forall\; n\in\mathbb{N}\; (c^{1/n} >0) \).
I let \(n\) be arbitrary and then tried to use method of contradiction. But ran into difficulties. Is there another approach ?
 
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Let $x=c^{1/n}$, i.e., $x^n=c$. If n is odd, then x and c have the same signs, so x is positive. If n is a positive even number, then x can be either positive or negative. However, the principal n-th root is positive by definition, and "when one speaks of the n-th root of a positive real number b, one usually means the principal n-th root" (link above).
 
Evgeny, thanks for the reply. But can we derive these facts from, say, field axioms ? I am looking into that sort of solution. Looking at the
link given by you, it seems to me that may be this is how its defined.​ So we just take as it is.
 
IssacNewton said:
Looking at the link given by you, it seems to me that may be this is how its defined.
Yes, $c^{1/n}$ is positive by definition for c > 0. The only thing that one may need to prove is that such positive x that $x^n=c$ exists. For this I would look at how the n-th root was defined in the textbook.
 
for completeness I am posting this from the wikipedia article on \( n^{\mbox{th}} \) root.
A real number or complex number has n roots of degree n. While the roots of 0 are not distinct (all equaling 0), the n nth roots of any other real or complex number are all distinct. If n is even and the number is real and positive, one of its nth roots is positive, one is negative, and the rest are complex but not real; if n is even and the number is real and negative, none of the nth roots are real. If n is odd and the number is real, one nth root is real and has the same sign as the number, while the other roots are not real


So one needs complex variables to appreciate all this
 

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