NASA's job? Not research. It's landscaping and janitorial services

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The discussion revolves around the budget cuts proposed to NASA and the implications for its research and operational activities. Participants express concerns about the prioritization of funding, the perceived undervaluation of NASA's contributions, and the impact on both exploration and spinoff technologies.

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  • Some participants highlight that NASA will not receive funds for new long-range space technology research, which could lead to discoveries and improvements in life on Earth.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential layoffs of contractors providing essential services at NASA centers due to budget cuts.
  • Some argue that the public is largely unaware of the everyday benefits derived from NASA's work, suggesting a disconnect between public perception and NASA's contributions.
  • Participants discuss the existence of spinoffs from NASA's research but question whether these justify its funding, proposing that R&D funds could be better allocated directly to specific problems.
  • There is a sentiment that NASA's primary mission should remain exploration, and if society has lost its explorative spirit, then NASA's purpose may be diminished.
  • Some express frustration over the challenges in advocating for exploration funding, noting the reliance on foreign spacecraft for astronaut transport as a troubling development.

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Participants express a range of views on the value of NASA's contributions and the justification for its funding. There is no clear consensus on whether the spinoffs are sufficient to warrant continued investment or on the overall direction of NASA's mission.

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Participants mention specific budget figures and project costs but do not resolve the implications of these financial decisions on NASA's future. The discussion reflects a mix of emotional responses and technical considerations regarding funding priorities.

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The US Senate made a counterproposal to the budget cuts proposed by the House. From http://appropriations.senate.gov/news.cfm?method=news.view&id=7e62b4eb-ed09-4dd4-86f0-411534783127

At this level, NASA will not be provided any funds for requested but new long-range space technology research activities that have the potential to lead to new discoveries and new technologies that could improve life on Earth. However, it avoids an additional $412 million cut by the House that would disrupt ongoing science missions and cause layoffs of 4,500 middle class contractors who provide landscaping, IT, janitorial, and other services for NASA centers.
 
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D H said:
The US Senate made a counterproposal to the budget cuts proposed by the House. From http://appropriations.senate.gov/news.cfm?method=news.view&id=7e62b4eb-ed09-4dd4-86f0-411534783127

At this level, NASA will not be provided any funds for requested but new long-range space technology research activities that have the potential to lead to new discoveries and new technologies that could improve life on Earth. However, it avoids an additional $412 million cut by the House that would disrupt ongoing science missions and cause layoffs of 4,500 middle class contractors who provide landscaping, IT, janitorial, and other services for NASA centers.

Sheesh... what a joke. I guess this is the gratitude that can be expected when people are largely unaware of the everyday items they would be without, except for NASA. Truly, with space exploration I think you have to put the cart before the horse, or...

... give up. We seem to be giving up.
 
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nismaratwork said:
Sheesh... what a joke. I guess this is the gratitude that can be expected when people are largely unaware of the everyday items they would be without, except for NASA.

Yeah, you ain't kidding. I'd go completely bonkers if I didn't have borscht in a tube.

:biggrin:
 
caffenta said:
Yeah, you ain't kidding. I'd go completely bonkers if I didn't have borscht in a tube.

:biggrin:

Hey, that was the Russian Space Agency... I think we had grilled cheese in a tube or something desperate and awful.

Still... ceramics, corningware, velcro, all kinds of avionics, and more...

*sigh*
 
While NASA does have plenty of spinoffs, it is very hard to justify NASA's existence in terms of these spinoffs. If that is the goal, it is better to target R&D monies directly at the problem at hand.

The same goes for space science. A lot of ground-based R&D could be funded simply by canceling a $100 million dollar space science project here, a $200 million project there. Those are small projects. NASA's flagship space science projects are multi-billion dollar extravaganzas nowadays.

Whether it is by means of human space exploration or unmanned space exploration, NASA's primary reason for being remains exploration. If our society has lost that explorative spirit then NASA doe have little left to stand on.
 
D H said:
While NASA does have plenty of spinoffs, it is very hard to justify NASA's existence in terms of these spinoffs. If that is the goal, it is better to target R&D monies directly at the problem at hand.

The same goes for space science. A lot of ground-based R&D could be funded simply by canceling a $100 million dollar space science project here, a $200 million project there. Those are small projects. NASA's flagship space science projects are multi-billion dollar extravaganzas nowadays.

Whether it is by means of human space exploration or unmanned space exploration, NASA's primary reason for being remains exploration. If our society has lost that explorative spirit then NASA doe have little left to stand on.

I know... it just seems that selling exploration is too hard these days. I find it viscerally abhorrent to see NASA reduced this way, with no real substitute in sight. For god's sake, Soyuz capsules for our astronauts? Ugh.
 

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