Natural Eigenbasis composite 2 X Spin 1/2 system

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The discussion focuses on the computation of the composite spin states for a 2-spin-1/2 system, specifically the state |+->-|->. The participants clarify that this state can be expressed as 1/sqrt(2)(|1 0> - |1 0>) = |0 0>, confirming it as an eigenstate of total angular momentum. The importance of orthogonality and the Clebsch-Gordan decomposition is emphasized, with references to David J. Griffiths' "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics" and J.J. Sakurai's "Modern Quantum Mechanics" for foundational concepts. The conversation highlights the necessity of proving eigenstates through operator calculations.

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  • Knowledge of eigenstates and eigenvalues in quantum operators.
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The way I am being taught in my course is that instead of


!s_1= 1/2, m_1 =1/2 ; s_2= 1/2, m_2 =1/2 > = !+ + >
!s_1= 1/2, m_1 =1/2 ; s_2= 1/2, m_2 =-1/2 > = !+ - >
!s_1= 1/2, m_1 =-1/2 ; s_2= 1/2, m_2 =1/2 > = !- + >
!s_1= 1/2, m_1 =-1/2 ; s_2= 1/2, m_2 =-1/2 > = !- - >

We have


¦s=1,m_z=1>= ¦++>
¦s=1,m_z=0>= 1/sqrt(2) (¦+->+¦-+>)
¦s=1,m_z=-1>= ¦++>

¦s=0,m_z=0>= 1/sqrt(2) (¦+->-¦-+>)

I understand the spin-1 triplet. My question is "how do you compute ¦+->-¦-+> to get composite s=0,m=0". Is it essentially

1/sqrt(2) (¦1 0> - ¦1 0> )= ¦0 0>


?

Thanks.
 
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The idea is that you derive this new basis by requiring that it be eigenstates of total angular momentum. However, if you are just given the states, you should still be able to show that it is an eigenstate.

For example, show that the state is an eigenstate of S_1^z + S_2^z and also S_1^2 + S_2^2, and what are the eigenvalues?
 
The spin zero state is chosen to be orthogonal to the spin one state.
 
Looks like I misunderstood the question. Orthogonality is usually the way to go but you can do the Clebsch-Gordan decomposition more systematically I believe.
 
Of course! orthogonality, thank you Pam. When reading David J Griffiths Introduction to quantum mechanics - (Prentice Hall, 1995) p166, the way it is presented almost seems to insinuate a "nice consequence" as opposed to a necessary condition.

<br /> \left( S_{1z} \otimes \mathbb{I} + \mathbb{I} \otimes S_{2z} \right)\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\{ \ket{\uparrow\downarrow}-\ket{\downarrow\uparrow}\}=\frac{\hbar}{2\sqrt{2}} \left( \ket{\uparrow\downarrow}+\ket{\downarrow\uparrow}-\ket{\uparrow\downarrow}-\ket{\downarrow\uparrow} \right)

So that

<br /> \left( S_{1z} \otimes \mathbb{I} + \mathbb{I} \otimes S_{2z} \right)\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\{ \ket{\uparrow\downarrow}-\ket{\downarrow\uparrow}\}=\left(0 \right)\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( \ket{\uparrow\downarrow}-\ket{\downarrow\uparrow}\right)<br />

Meaning that

<br /> \{ \ket{\uparrow\downarrow}-\ket{\downarrow\uparrow}\}<br />

is an eigenvector of the S_z=\left{ S_{1z} \otimes \mathbb{I} + \mathbb{I} \otimes S_{2z}\right} operator with corresponding eigenvalue 0. Similarly, but with more algebra, we should arrive with the corresponding eigenvalue s(s+1)\hbar^2=0(0+1)\hbar^2=0 for the S^2 operator.

Technically, the zero spin state is orthogonal to every other eigenvector yes?
 
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All non-degenerate evectors are orthogonal.
 
To motivate the Clebsch-Gordon, and prove m=m_1+m_2 my lecturer done the obvious exploitation of the fact:

<br /> J_z=J_{1z}+J_{2z}<br />

so that the expectation value of J_z-J_{1z}-J_{2z} is zero. That makes sense to a certain extent. Though, and here is the problem: the operators above do not posess simultaneous eigenkets. But, regardless, he goes on to calculate it wrt two separate eigenbases; | \phi \rangle and | \psi \rangle where

<br /> | \phi \rangle = | j_1 j_2 m_1 m_2\rangle<br />

and

<br /> | \psi \rangle = | j_1 j_2 j m \rangle<br />

This formalism is that of Modern Quantum Mechanics - J.J Sakurai (Addison-Wesley Rev .ed, 1994). The Expectation value is found by (according to my lecturers notes)

<br /> \langle \phi | J_z-J_{1z}-J_{2z} | \psi \rangle<br />

which must return zero. Okay I'm going to stop there because I simply don't agree that this is the expectation value.

You can still prove m=m_1+m_2 by the elementary steps outlined in Modern Quantum Mechanics - J.J Sakurai (Addison-Wesley Rev .ed, 1994) p 208 . This way makes sense to me and it mentions nothing of expectation value. Sorry to post such a trivial question but I'm just trying to weed out any mistakes in my lecturers notes.
 
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