Natural Spectrum of the Universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the natural spectrum of bodies in the universe, including contributions from various astronomical sources such as stars, black holes, and cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation. Participants explore the idea of compiling a comprehensive spectrum that represents these contributions across different frequencies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a comprehensive graph of the natural spectrum of the universe, similar to existing visual representations of sunlight.
  • Another participant mentions that starlight, including energy absorbed and re-radiated by dust, contributes about 10% to the CMB energy density.
  • Some participants express interest in identifying any frequencies that do not occur naturally, with one asserting that there are none.
  • There is a request for a graph of observed spectra with relative amplitudes, highlighting the variability based on proximity to stars or galaxies.
  • One participant questions the filtering effects of the CMB on other contributions, asking for citations to support their views.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the total flux observed depends on the observer's position relative to stars and the CMB.
  • A link to a resource for the visual range spectrum is provided as a potential reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence of frequencies that do not occur naturally, with some asserting there are none while others seek clarification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best average spectrum across the universe and the implications of position on observed spectra.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the contributions to the spectrum can vary significantly based on the observer's location in relation to different astronomical bodies, indicating a dependence on specific conditions and assumptions.

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Chronos said:
I assume you are interested in the relative contribution of energy density from all sources. For starlight, including energy absorbed and re-radiated by 'dust', it is comprises about 10% of the CMB energy density (re: http://condor.depaul.edu/asarma/Teaching/Spring2012/PHY475/LEC475/Lec8apr18.pdf).
Specifically I'm interested in knowing if there are any frequencies that don't occur naturally - though a graph of observed spectra would be a nice start.
 
Physt said:
Specifically I'm interested in knowing if there are any frequencies that don't occur naturally

There are not.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
There are not.
It would still be nice to have a graph of the spectrums seen with relative amplitudes.
 
bapowell said:
"Entire spectrum" of what?
The EM spectrum - what this post is about.
 
What part of the CMB spectrum do you find objectionable? Do you think it filters out other background contributions- like from stars and dust? If so, provide citations.
 
Physt said:
It would still be nice to have a graph of the spectrums seen with relative amplitudes.

I am sorry that I didn't do all the work that you asked me to.
 
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Physt said:
It would still be nice to have a graph of the spectrums seen with relative amplitudes.
This will depend heavily on your position. As an example: close to a star, the stellar spectrum is a good approximation for the total flux, while far away from stars (or even from galaxies) the CMB is more important. The other energy ranges depend on your position as well.
 
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Chronos said:
What part of the CMB spectrum do you find objectionable? Do you think it filters out other background contributions- like from stars and dust? If so, provide citations.
Nothing whatsoever - the issue is not having a graph of the relative amplitudes by frequency.
 
  • #12
mfb said:
This will depend heavily on your position. As an example: close to a star, the stellar spectrum is a good approximation for the total flux, while far away from stars (or even from galaxies) the CMB is more important. The other energy ranges depend on your position as well.
This is a fair point - I guess I'm just looking for the best average across the universe as far as we can tell at this point.
 
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http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~kgb/cosspec/ is one for just the visual range.
 
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