A question relating to expansion rate of the Universe

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The discussion revolves around the factors influencing the expansion rate of the universe, including the role of stars converting mass into energy, the behavior of dark matter, and the implications of the cosmological constant. Participants explore theoretical concepts, observational evidence, and the interplay between gravitational forces and cosmic expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the expansion rate of the universe could be influenced by an increasing number of stars converting mass into energy, potentially reducing gravitational attraction and applying radiation pressure on surrounding matter.
  • Others argue that the number of stars is not increasing significantly, and the conversion of mass to energy in stars has negligible effects on the overall expansion rate.
  • There is a discussion about whether voids between galaxy clusters are expanding at a rate consistent with a constant cosmological constant, with some noting that local gravitational effects can overpower expansion.
  • Participants mention that dark matter, estimated to be significantly more massive than ordinary matter, plays a crucial role in gravitational attraction and is consistent with the observed expansion rate of the universe.
  • Questions arise regarding the changing percentages of dark matter and ordinary matter over time, with some suggesting this is related to the universe's thermal history and the formation of matter.
  • Clarifications are sought about the implications of a pie chart representing the composition of the universe, particularly concerning the contributions of dark energy, neutrinos, and photons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of star formation and mass-energy conversion on cosmic expansion, as well as the interpretation of observational data regarding dark matter and the cosmological constant. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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Some claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about dark matter, energy density, and the historical context of the universe's expansion. The discussion highlights the complexity of measuring and interpreting cosmic phenomena.

  • #31
Answer is still the same as when posted in #25.

edit; Maybe I should say that's about as much as we think we know...
there seems to be a lot more we don't know than we know..."Do you have a good link for this description of DM?"

not so much...search these forums, and Wikipedia has a good outline under DARK MATTER...

and I think also discusses MACHOS and WIMPS...

and I see Drakkith has posted links to hot,warm, cold dark matter...

lots of candidates, lots of questions, not so many detailed answers yet.
 
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  • #32
Tanelorn said:
What stops DM from accumulating inside the rims and possibly near the centers of galaxies or is this unknown?

The issue is that DM can't interact through anything other than gravity. What happens is that DM follows an orbit around our galaxy just like everything else. In order for it to fall in towards the center of our galaxy and stay it must give up energy, otherwise it just swings back around all the way out to the halo region again. (or doesn't fall in at all)

When you have a dust cloud that is collapsing under its own gravity, the particles get rid of energy by colliding with each other and giving off EM radiation. This allows it to collapse into dense regions and eventually form stars, planets, etc.

But dark matter can't do this. It simply passes through itself without absorbing or giving off any energy. So it can't collapse into dense regions very easily, if at all.
 

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