Naturalistic Reincarnation Concept

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The discussion centers around a naturalistic interpretation of reincarnation as proposed by Thomas W. Clark, which suggests that experience continues in "other subjects" after death. Participants explore the implications of this idea, its philosophical underpinnings, and its relation to consciousness and personal identity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the idea that experience continues in other subjects, arguing that consciousness is a process rather than a transferable entity.
  • Others reference Thomas W. Clark's materialist perspective on consciousness and suggest that his conclusions warrant further discussion.
  • A participant mentions Sam Harris's views on reincarnation, noting a tension with other prominent atheists, and seeks clarification on Harris's stance.
  • One participant introduces the concept of phantom limb sensations as a way to explore the idea of consciousness persisting after bodily loss.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that one could feel anything after losing their entire body, asserting that there would be nothing left to feel.
  • There are references to other philosophical works that align with Clark's ideas, suggesting a broader discourse on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the nature of consciousness and the implications of Clark's naturalistic reincarnation concept.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on specific interpretations of consciousness and personal identity, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes references to philosophical works that may not be fully explored within the thread.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in philosophy of mind, consciousness studies, and naturalistic interpretations of metaphysical concepts may find this discussion relevant.

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www.naturalism.org/death.htm[/URL]

Read the former link and tell me what you think. The author, Thomas W. Clark, concludes that when one dies, experience does not cease for that subject but continues in "other subjects which come into being". It is essentially a naturalistic version of reincarnation. He uses a thought experiment which seems to point to this conclusion.

Post your thoughts.
 
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Atheismo said:
experience does not cease for that subject but continues in "other subjects which come into being"

Nonsense.

Does running or swimming or basketball 'not cease, but continues in other people'?

Consciousness is a process, not a thing.
 
JoeDawg said:
Nonsense.

Does running or swimming or basketball 'not cease, but continues in other people'?

Consciousness is a process, not a thing.

If you read Thomas Clark's other papers (such as Function and Phenomenology Closing the Explanatory Gap) you will see that he holds the standard materialist's view of consciousness. Read the paper and the replies to the paper and then form your opinion.

Read the following if you want more:

www.mbdefault.org (chapter 9 in particular)

This monograph is written by a different philosopher yet raises the same conclusion. The author, Wayne Stewart, takes Baar's and Taylor's Global Workspace model of subjectivity to draw this very novel conclusion.
 
Atheismo said:
Read the following if you want more:
If all you want, is to generate web traffic, I'd work on your sales pitch.
 
Atheismo said:
www.naturalism.org/death.htm[/URL]

Read the former link and tell me what you think. The author, Thomas W. Clark, concludes that when one dies, experience does not cease for that subject but continues in "other subjects which come into being". It is essentially a naturalistic version of reincarnation. He uses a thought experiment which seems to point to this conclusion.

Post your thoughts.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm... interesting, I think atheist author Sam Harris has mentioned this idea before, Harris is generally antitheistic but supports some Buddhist ideas like reincarnation, which somehow puts tension between him and his peers Dawkins, Dennett,etc.
 
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JoeDawg said:
If all you want, is to generate web traffic, I'd work on your sales pitch.

If you have a problem with any part of the paper then copy it and we can discuss it. I actually think the idea is deserving of sober thought. I will copy some excerpts which we can discuss if you do not wish to.
 
celebrei said:
Hmmm... interesting, I think atheist author Sam Harris has mentioned this idea before, Harris is generally antitheistic but supports some Buddhist ideas like reincarnation, which somehow puts tension between him and his peers Dawkins, Dennett,etc.

Where did you hear Harris mention the idea? Could you point me in the right direction, links, books maybe?

Also, just to clarify, this idea has no ties with Buddhism except for the fact that it involves transmigration (albeit without any "soul" thing, in fact it posits no transference of anything between subjects). It is a naturalistic transmigration philosophy derived from a naturalistic analysis of personal identity criteria at temporal limits.

Whilst we're on the subject of Dan Dennet, Tom Clark (the author of the DNS paper I linked above) actually studied under the guidance of Dan when he studied philosophy at college.
 
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One thing that hit me most about consciousness remaining afterlife is this
People who suffered accidents that caused them to loose their legs report that sometimes they feel like they have the whole leg. They even report that sometimes their non-existing toes etch. Extending the idea to whole body, It can be postulated that even when you loose your whole body, you will feel like you have a body.
 
thecritic said:
It can be postulated that even when you loose your whole body, you will feel like you have a body.

If you lose your whole body, there is nothing left of you, to feel anything.
 
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