Nature of Primodial Existance before bigbang

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The discussion revolves around the nature and physics of primordial existence before the Big Bang, exploring theoretical models and the limitations of current observational capabilities. It encompasses speculative ideas and competing theories regarding the state of the universe prior to the Big Bang.

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  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Theoretical

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that understanding the universe is limited to 10^-43 seconds after the Big Bang, raising questions about the nature of existence before that time.
  • Others suggest that many ideas exist regarding pre-Big Bang conditions, but none currently have observational support.
  • It is proposed that it may not be possible to observe anything before the Big Bang, leading to the notion that any theories may remain unsupported indefinitely.
  • Several competing theories are mentioned, including "big bounce," "loop quantum cosmology," "Ekpyrotic," "eternal inflation," "Conformal cyclic cosmology," "Horava gravity," and others, with uncertainty about which, if any, might be correct.
  • One participant argues against the idea that pre-Big Bang models cannot be developed, suggesting that improved theories of gravity could provide valid models, although they acknowledge that current results may be incorrect.
  • There is a suggestion that future testing of these models may be possible, despite current limitations in understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a lack of consensus on the nature of primordial existence before the Big Bang, with multiple competing views and ongoing debates about the validity of various theoretical models.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of observational evidence for pre-Big Bang theories and the dependence on current gravitational theories, which may not fully capture the complexities of the early universe.

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It is understood that the universe could be understood only from 10 -43 sec after big bang. is there any study or information about the nature/physics of primodial existence before bigbang
 
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That is still a work in progress. Many ideas, but, none have observational support at present.
 
It may not even be possible to observe anything before the big bang. If so, then any ideas would forever remain unsupported.
 
Some of the idea thhat Chronos described can be found if you google some of these phrases:
"big bounce" "loop quanutm cosmology" "Ekpyrotic" "eternal inflation" "Conformal cyclic cosmology" "Horava gravity" "can the unvierse create itself" "Baum Frampton model" "Caroll Chen Model". these are all competing ideas for what might have happened pre big bang. We don't whch are correct, maybe the correct idea is still to be discovered, maybe its one of the above.
 
Is not indefinite and singular, that is simply a prediction based upon applying Gr to the early universe. But there’s nothing to say that we can’t use a more improved theory of gravity of Gr. To say such it can’t be modeled is baseless. It has already bee modeled, here is an example:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0812.4703
Of course such results might be wrong, but to say it cannot be done is without justification.
Nor is it impossible such models can be tested in the future. Sure we are not there yet and you are right not be too satisfied. But to say something hasn’t been done yet does not mean it can’t be done.
 

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