Need an Exact Explanation of the Double Slit Experiment

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The discussion centers around the Double Slit Experiment, exploring its mechanics, the types of particles used, and the implications of wave function collapse. Participants seek detailed explanations and clarification on various aspects of the experiment, including the nature of observation and the particles involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention that the experiment involves particles such as photons, electrons, and neutrons, but there is uncertainty about which particles are primarily used in modern versions of the experiment.
  • There is a discussion about how particles are observed, with some participants expressing confusion about the mechanics of wave function collapse and its relation to observation.
  • One participant suggests that interactions in general may cause wave function collapse, while another mentions quantum decoherence as a modern replacement for the concept of collapse.
  • Several participants reference the historical context of the experiment, indicating that it has evolved over time with advancements in technology.
  • There is a mention of various interpretations of quantum mechanics, including the idea that consciousness does not cause wave function collapse, but the exact mechanism remains unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the types of particles used and the nature of observation in the experiment. There is no consensus on the mechanism of wave function collapse, with multiple interpretations and hypotheses presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on the definitions of wave function collapse and quantum decoherence, as well as the unresolved nature of how observation affects the experiment's outcomes.

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All I know about the Double Slit Experiment is that some particles are shot at a pair of slits, and the particle apparently splits, goes through both slits, and interferes with itself, creating an interference pattern, but if the particles are observed, they collapse and give the results you'd expect from particles. However, I need details.
1. What particles are used in the experiment? I've heard conflicting stories. Some people say electrons, others say we don't have the tech to use electrons, so we use neutrons. Which is it?
2. How are the particles observed? If the answer to this is what I'm thinking, I'll have another question.
 
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Come on man, you are of the google generation, use it.
This is perhaps the single most famous experiment in all of science history, there are infinite explanations who will give you all the answers regarding the details on how the experiment is conducted.
Just type in "double slit" in google and you'll find infinite sources.
 
From one of the first research groups to actually do this experiment using electrons:

http://www.hitachi.com/rd/research/em/doubleslit.html
 
Fyzix said:
Come on man, you are of the google generation, use it.
This is perhaps the single most famous experiment in all of science history, there are infinite explanations who will give you all the answers regarding the details on how the experiment is conducted.
Just type in "double slit" in google and you'll find infinite sources.

Google is how I learned what I know. If the information wasn't vague or contradictory, I wouldn't be asking.
 
OniLink++ said:
All I know about the Double Slit Experiment is that some particles are shot at a pair of slits, and the particle apparently splits, goes through both slits, and interferes with itself, creating an interference pattern, but if the particles are observed, they collapse and give the results you'd expect from particles. However, I need details.
1. What particles are used in the experiment? I've heard conflicting stories. Some people say electrons, others say we don't have the tech to use electrons, so we use neutrons. Which is it?
2. How are the particles observed? If the answer to this is what I'm thinking, I'll have another question.

What particle? That shouldn't be hard to guess. Young's double split experiment was done back in the 20th-19th century where modern technology was just nurturing. Photon, is the only candidate which comes to my mind.

Here's how it all works:

We eject a no. of photons (or any particle with which quantum phenomenon is observable) at a screen . In between the laser/gun, wall we have two slit. The following observations we will notice:
1)If a given no. of photons are fired at the wall over a certain period, we should notice a point,a dot on the screen.This happens when one of the slit is covered.Showing us that light has particle-like attributes.

2)If a given no. of photons (or as above ^ *) are fired at the wall over a certain period, we notice that this time an interference pattern is observed.Indicating wave-like property of light.This happens when both the slits are wide open and since we don't know which slit the photon/s went through i.e we are uncertain over it's position .

Technically, QM proposes that when we know the exact path of a given particle,we bring it into a definite position/spatial co-ordinate. In other words, we collapse the wave-function of the photon (wave-function is the probability distribution which consists of high and low outcomes ,you can liken it to frequency of existing at state, A,B,C,X,Y,Z,)

There are various Q. Mechanical interpretations.. for CI: read on Schrödinger's 'cat in a box experiment' then there's MWI and so on.. something which I am not familiar with,yet.

-ibysaiyan
 
Young experiment in 1799 was done using photons.
 
ibysaiyan said:
What particle? That shouldn't be hard to guess. Young's double split experiment was done back in the 20th-19th century where modern technology was just nurturing. Photon, is the only candidate which comes to my mind.

Here's how it all works:

We eject a no. of photons (or any particle with which quantum phenomenon is observable) at a screen . In between the laser/gun, wall we have two slit. The following observations we will notice:
1)If a given no. of photons are fired at the wall over a certain period, we should notice a point,a dot on the screen.This happens when one of the slit is covered.Showing us that light has particle-like attributes.

2)If a given no. of photons (or as above ^ *) are fired at the wall over a certain period, we notice that this time an interference pattern is observed.Indicating wave-like property of light.This happens when both the slits are wide open and since we don't know which slit the photon/s went through i.e we are uncertain over it's position .

Technically, QM proposes that when we know the exact path of a given particle,we bring it into a definite position/spatial co-ordinate. In other words, we collapse the wave-function of the photon (wave-function is the probability distribution which consists of high and low outcomes ,you can liken it to frequency of existing at state, A,B,C,X,Y,Z,)

There are various Q. Mechanical interpretations.. for CI: read on Schrödinger's 'cat in a box experiment' then there's MWI and so on.. something which I am not familiar with,yet.

-ibysaiyan

Wait, I'm talking about modern versions of the experiment, which use particles like neutrons or electrons. Also, you guys are only answering half of my question. I also want to know how the wave function collapse is caused. Everything I've read has said that observing the particle as it enters a slit will cause the wave function to collapse so that instead of giving an interference pattern, it gives the expected result for particles. I want to know how they perform this observation.
 
OniLink++ said:
Wait, I'm talking about modern versions of the experiment, which use particles like neutrons or electrons. Also, you guys are only answering half of my question. I also want to know how the wave function collapse is caused. Everything I've read has said that observing the particle as it enters a slit will cause the wave function to collapse so that instead of giving an interference pattern, it gives the expected result for particles. I want to know how they perform this observation.

If that was so obvious and into everyone's knowledge then we wouldn't have this many interpretations of QM. I'll be honest I don't know other then what I have said... HUP is applied but I don't know what causes the collapse. Having read same threads on this forum the general consensus is that consciousness doesn't cause the collapse.
-ibysaiyan
 
Since no measurement can tell us if the wave function is collapsed or not collapsed why is it even considered a part of the physical world?
 
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ibysaiyan said:
If that was so obvious and into everyone's knowledge then we wouldn't have this many interpretations of QM. I'll be honest I don't know other then what I have said... HUP is applied but I don't know what causes the collapse. Having read same threads on this forum the general consensus is that consciousness doesn't cause the collapse.
-ibysaiyan
Ok, it's starting to make more sense then. I guess I'll go ahead and post my idea then. Maybe it's just interactions in general that cause the collapse? This seems like an obvious idea, but I haven't seen any interpretations that suggest this.
 
  • #11
The self-interactions and heat readiation from macroscopic bodies in fact create quantum decoherence in matter of few picoseconds. Quantum decoherence is what replaces the old fashioned "collapse", which is out of favor.
 
  • #12
Dmitry67 said:
The self-interactions and heat readiation from macroscopic bodies in fact create quantum decoherence in matter of few picoseconds. Quantum decoherence is what replaces the old fashioned "collapse", which is out of favor.

I see. I think I understand what you mean by 'heat radiation' being a factor for this but what about self-interaction ? Are you saying that it's the mere presence of quantum bodies which irrevocably produces this decoherence , but isn't that what wave-function is defined as ?

- ibysaiyan
 
  • #13
The self-interaction is irrelevant because no information is leaked outside. Hence, the evolution of the envronment would be 'compatible' with any outcome of any experiment made inside. For example, self interaction inside C60 molecules used in 2slit experiment does not change the interference pattern.

Regarding the "what wave-function is defined as", different interpretations of QM don't even agree if wavefunction is real or not. What is your favourite interpretation?
 
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