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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \( \int x^n e^{-x^{n-1}} \, dx \). Participants explore various methods for solving this integral, including integration by parts and the use of gamma functions. The context includes both theoretical and practical aspects of integration techniques.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in integrating the function and describes their approach using integration by parts and substitutions.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral is related to gamma functions and may not have a straightforward solution.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of using repeated integration by parts, while others question the feasibility of this method for the given integral.
  • A participant mentions using Mathematica and Maple, noting that different software returns different forms of the integral, including a Whittaker M function.
  • There is a discussion about whether the integral is part of homework or a general problem, with one participant clarifying that it is not homework but a challenging problem that may appear on exams.
  • Another participant raises the possibility of evaluating the integral for specific values of \( n \) and suggests that limits could simplify the problem.
  • One participant questions whether the integral might be miswritten and suggests an alternative form, but the original poster confirms the integral is as stated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to integrate the function. There are multiple competing views on the applicability of integration techniques and the relevance of gamma functions, with some uncertainty about the integral's complexity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the integral may depend on the value of \( n \) and suggest that specific cases could be solved with standard integrals. There is also mention of the integral being indefinite, but this remains unresolved.

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Need help, soon please! Integrating

I am struggling to integrate this function since last night but,it seems like it is a dead end doing it.

how would you integrate this function

integral x^n e^(-x^(n-1)) dx
i tried the parcial method, and went like this
integ x^(n-2) x^2 e^(-x^(n-1))= then i did this u=x^2,du=2xdx

v=integ x^(n-2) e^(-x^(n-1)), then i took the substitution
-x^(n-1)=t
-(n-1)x^(n-2)dx=dt
x^(n-2)dx=-1/(n-1)dt, than i get

-1/(n-1)integ e^t dt=-1/(n-1) e^(-x^(n-1))

then using the formula uv-integ vdu, i get
-1/(n-1)x^2 e^(-x^(n-1))+ 2/(n-1) integ e^(-x^(n-1)) xdx,

so the problem is how to integrate now this
integ e^(-x^(n-1)) xdx, i could expand it using taylor formula, but i just have a feeling that it should be done using some other methods.!
I do not know if my approach is correct at first place, i might be missing something here.
Any help please?
 
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So no one is going to help me>>>?
 
Is this homework, or just a general problem that's troubling you? Maple gives the answer in terms of gamma functions, so I'd imagine that the integral is not that nice to compute!
 
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Maple will give the answer in terms of gamma functions, that integral is pretty similar to the definition of the gamma function itself.

The integral can be computed by repeated integration by parts which is the same why the integral definition of the gamma function yields a generalized factorial function.
 
cristo said:
Is homework, or just a general problem that's troubling you? Maple gives the answer in terms of gamma functions, so I'd imagine that the integral is not that nice to compute!

NO it is not homework!
And sorry but i do not understand what mapple means, and what is gamma function??
Maybe i have heard or used gamma function before, but just i am not familiar with this term, so any more explanations on this??
 
Gib Z said:
The integral can be computed by repeated integration by parts which is the same why the integral definition of the gamma function yields a generalized factorial function.

ANd i do not think the repeated integration by parts works here, because look here

integ e^(-x^(n-1)) xdx

how would one go about integrating it by parts?

if we take here u=x, du=dx, and v=integ e^(-x^(n-1))dx , so how to find v??
And if we get u=e^(-x^(n-1)). and v=integ x dx, after we use the formula of integration by parts we come to a form of the integral which is the integral which we beagan with at the very begining, which is positive, and we get nothing!
 
Ok.. It wasn't maple I used before, it was the online version of mathematica, called "the integrator." Maple returns a result including a Whittaker M function, which I have never seen before.

Is there any particular reason why you have to do this integral by hand?
 
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cristo said:
Ok.. It wasn't maple I used before, it was the online version of mathematica, called "the integrator." Maple returns a result including a Whittaker M function, which I have never seen before.

Is there any particular reason why you have to do this integral by hand?
First of all i just like to know all the steps needed to come up to the result. Second, sometimes the proffesor puts it as one of five problems in the final exam, if it is not identical with this one, one of the five problems in most cases has been something like this. And the exam is paper based, so no calculators are allowed.
 
Hmm, well I'm afraid I can't help you. Are you sure the integral isn't something more like \int x^{n-1}e^{x^n}dx ? I can't see the use of such an integral as one you give being put on an exam, but then I could be wrong.
 
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cristo said:
Hmm, well I'm afraid I can't help you. Are you sure the integral isn't something more like \int x^{n-1}e^{x^n}dx ? I can't see the use of such an integral as one you give being put on an exam, but then I could be wrong.
No it is exactly like i wrote it.
And our proffesors, always put a really hard problem in every exam, that's why no one could ever get more than 85 points out of 100, in the exam!
 
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Thankyou cristo for your attempt to help me.

Any other ideas or suggestions on how to go about integrating this function by hand?
 
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Are there no limits to this integration? One could consider the case of n=0,1,2 and solve it with standard integrals if the limits are 0 to infinite. I don't know about the general case though.
 
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I guess it is an indefinite integral.
 

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