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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of gyroscopes, particularly when two gyroscopes are mounted with their axes at right angles to each other on a platform. Participants explore the implications of this setup for maintaining orientation and stability in space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand why a platform with two gyroscopes at right angles remains rigid, referencing an old patent for context.
  • Another participant mentions the use of gyroscopes and Earth's rotation to create a stable platform, suggesting a connection to existing technology.
  • It is noted that no forces can be transformed by the gyroscopes without causing precession, implying that the platform must be free to rotate or mounted in gimbals.
  • A participant questions whether a platform mounted on gimbals will maintain its orientation in space, seeking clarification on the mechanics behind this behavior.
  • One response affirms that stability is possible under ideal conditions, emphasizing the need for precise balance, absence of friction, and operation in a vacuum, while also referencing conservation principles.
  • It is mentioned that a gyroscope's frame of reference aligns with the stars, indicating its historical purpose related to demonstrating Earth's rotation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of certainty regarding the conditions necessary for stability and the mechanics involved, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include assumptions about ideal conditions such as balance and frictionless operation, which may not hold in practical applications. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of gyroscopic behavior and its implications for orientation.

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So I've been trying to understand a concept in gyroscopes and I hope the guys and girls here can help me with it.

I first read it here, the part about mounting 2 gyroscopes with their axes at right angles to each other. It said that the platform will remain totally rigid.

I tried to consult a few of my teachers about this but none of them seemed to have an answer why. I've been searching online and the closest I came to finding something that relates is an old US patent No. US3398586. Fig 1 seems to be working around the same concept.

So does anyone here know why this happens? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and have a great day.
 
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No forces may be transformed by the gyroscopes, without causing precession. The platform with the two gyroscopes must therefore be free to rotate space, or mounted in gimbals on a vehicle.

One gyroscope can give you a single reference axis direction, relative to the stars. It takes a second gyroscope, with an axis that is not parallel with the first, to resolve another direction. Given those two axial directions you know platform orientation relative to the stars.

A vehicle can be made to remain stable by sensing vehicle orientation relative to the gyro platform and applying torque to the vehicle to correct the vehicle orientation.
 
Hi Baluncore and thank you for your response. I just want to know that if two gyroscopes with perpendicular axes are mounted on a platform that is in turn mounted on gimbals, will the platform maintain its orientation in space such that the gimbals rotate? If it does, why does that happen?
 
Yes, it will be stable, but only if it is precisely balanced, has no friction in the bearings and is operated in a vacuum.

It must obey principles of conservation of energy and momentum. Without some external force being applied there can be no change in orientation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope#Properties

It turns out that a gyroscope's frame of reference is the same as the stars. It is called a “gyroscope” because it was originally intended to demonstrate that the Earth rotates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope#History
 

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