Negative gravitational energy - negative energy gravitons?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravitational energy, specifically whether gravitons, as potential mediators of gravitational interaction, possess negative energy. Participants explore implications of negative gravitational energy in the context of various theoretical frameworks, including the zero energy universe theory and supersymmetry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that gravitational energy is negative according to the zero energy universe theory, leading to the question of whether gravitons would also have negative energy.
  • Others question the validity of assigning energy to virtual particles, suggesting uncertainty in how energy is defined in this context.
  • One participant draws a parallel between gravitational and magnetic interactions, asking if the attractive nature of magnetism implies that photons possess negative energy, while another counters that magnetic energy is positive and non-negative.
  • A participant discusses the role of dark matter in the context of gravitational energy, suggesting that while gravity may be considered negative in certain models, dark matter is treated as positive energy, complicating the overall picture.
  • There is mention of the FRW metric and the cosmological constant, indicating that gravity can exert positive pressure, which contrasts with the notion of negative gravitational energy.
  • Supersymmetry is referenced, with a note that while gravitons and gravitinos are predicted, their existence has not been confirmed, leading to speculation about gravity being a manifestation of spacetime rather than a force mediated by bosons.
  • One participant emphasizes that the negative characterization of gravity may only apply within specific models, and generalizing this to all scenarios may not be valid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational energy and the implications for gravitons, with no consensus reached on whether gravitons can be assigned negative energy or how this relates to other forces like magnetism.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of energy in the context of virtual particles, the implications of dark matter, and the validity of supersymmetry predictions. The discussion also highlights the complexity of assigning charges and energy states across different models.

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We know that gravitational energy is negative (zero energy universe theory). If the mediator particles (bosons) of the gravitational interaction are gravitons, then the energy of the gravitons would be negative?
 
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Hmmm, not sure. Can you assign energy to a virtual particle in this situation? Or at all?
 
Magnetism is attractive and mediated by photons. Does that imply photons have negative energy?
 
Chronos said:
Magnetism is attractive and mediated by photons. Does that imply photons have negative energy?

The magnetic energy is positive, and non negative.
 
petergreen said:
We know that gravitational energy is negative (zero energy universe theory). If the mediator particles (bosons) of the gravitational interaction are gravitons, then the energy of the gravitons would be negative?

Interesting question, let's think about that for a second. In this particular model it is a negating energy, however DM in this model is positive. DM as we know doesn't have a charge as it is considered to be a spin zero weakly interactive particle.

Gravity in the FRW metric is a positive force that applies a positive pressure with the cosmological constant attributing to the negative pressure.

In super symmetry their is a predicted graviton and gravitino although super symmetry has yet to discover any of the super symmetry particles it predicts it may or may not be valid.

Given the above my take is that gravity is negative only for the energy balance of this particular model. Trying to assign a permanent charge to it that applies in all situations would need to look at its spin, as well as look for its opposite charge partner. The electron for example has two possible charges positive and negative, however it is still the same particle just a different charge. Gravity does not have the same electromagnetic charge scenario, and we have yet to validate the gravitino ( or a graviton for that matter). Its quite possible gravity is an effect of space-time rather than a boson carrying force.

So for the model it is indeed negative, but I wouldn't apply that outside the energy density=zero modelling

edit forgot to add matter/antimatter.. by convention matter is positive with anti matter being negative. That would also apply to the graviton/gravitino
 

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