Net magnetic force on circuit segment due to 2 parallel wires

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The discussion revolves around determining the net magnetic force on a circuit segment due to two parallel wires carrying current. Participants express confusion about the direction of the force, with one suggesting it may be to the left due to proximity to the wire with current. There is a mention of ijk notation and a query about the force's direction in relation to wire length. Clarifications are sought, and one participant confirms that their answer worked after correcting a notation issue. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of magnetic forces in circuits and the importance of precise notation.
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Two long, parallel wires are separated by a distance d and carry current I flowing in opposite directions, as shown in the figure. A circuit segment of length L is parallel to the long wires and carries a current of I' flowing in the direction shown. The circuit segment is at distance R from the wires. The +z direction is to the right, the +x direction is up, and the +y direction is out of the screen. Approximate the net magnetic force F acting on the circuit segment in terms of the given quantities and physical constants, assuming that R >> d. Express the force using ijk unit vector notation.
Relevant Equations
F∝ l x B
Do not approximate the distance between each wire and the wire segment as 𝑅. Rather, make approximations when comparing higher orders of 𝑅 and 𝑑. For example, assume that 𝑅^2 + 𝑑^2 ≈ 𝑅^2, and so forth.
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This answer is incorrect when I try submitting it.
 
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Hi,
A bit hard to read on my phone, but: what is the ijk notation (:wink:) and which way is the force ?
 
BvU said:
Hi,
A bit hard to read on my phone, but: what is the ijk notation (:wink:) and which way is the force ?
Thank you for your response. Would the force on the circuit be to the left since the wire with the current in the same direction is closer? I thought it might be in the negative z-direction.
 
Hmm, i am lost a bit -- think you're right...
 
risakapal said:
This answer is incorrect when I try submitting it.
Your answer looks right to me, but…
What would your answer be if all the wires were length L? Would you expect the result to be the same for both scenarios?
I am not at all sure… just asking.
 
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The answer worked! It seems I did not need a subscript for the constant. Thank you very much for your help!
 
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