Neutrino Mass & Right Handed Neutrinos

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The discussion revolves around the implications of neutrino mass and the potential existence of right-handed neutrinos. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, including the Majorana mass term and the see-saw mechanism, while considering the reasons for the non-observation of right-handed neutrinos.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the existence of neutrino mass does not necessarily imply the existence of right-handed neutrinos, citing the possibility of a Majorana mass term involving only left-handed neutrinos and a new scalar field.
  • Others propose that the see-saw mechanism provides a rationale for the existence of right-handed neutrinos, linking light neutrino masses to heavy right-handed neutrino masses.
  • A participant mentions that if right-handed neutrinos exist, they may be too heavy to be detected at current collider energies, suggesting a mass scale significantly higher than what is currently accessible.
  • Some participants introduce the idea of non-renormalizable operators in the Standard Model, which could yield a Majorana mass without the need for right-handed neutrinos or new scalar fields.
  • There is a mention of a unique dimension-5 operator that could provide a Majorana mass for left-handed neutrinos, aligning with expectations from the see-saw mechanism without requiring additional particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of right-handed neutrinos for explaining neutrino mass, with no consensus reached. The discussion includes multiple competing models and hypotheses regarding neutrino mass and the implications of right-handed neutrinos.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes complex theoretical frameworks that depend on various assumptions, such as the nature of scalar fields and the implications of non-renormalizable operators. The relationship between light and heavy neutrino masses remains an area of exploration without definitive conclusions.

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Does that fact that it has been shown that neutrinos have mass in any way imply that there must be right handed neutrinos?
 
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Follow up question. If there are right handed neutrinos is there an explanation as to why they haven't been observed?
 
Jim Kata said:
Does that fact that it has been shown that neutrinos have mass in any way imply that there must be right handed neutrinos?

not necessarily, because you can have a majorana mass term consisting of only one type of neutrino field: [tex](\nu_L)^c \nu_L \Delta[/tex] but to make this term (after spontaneous symmetry breaking) to be invariant under the unbroken gauge group (SU(3) color and U(1) electric charge), then you need [tex]\Delta[/tex] to be a triplet field under weak-SU(2). So you can do without the right handed neutrino [tex]\nu_R[/tex] but have to introduce a new scalar field [tex]\Delta[/tex] to the Standard Model instead to give neutrino a mass.

having said that there are reasons to favor the existence of the right-handed neutrino to explain neutrino mass (eg. see-saw mechanism)
Jim Kata said:
Follow up question. If there are right handed neutrinos is there an explanation as to why they haven't been observed?

One explanation (the typical one) is that they are too heavy to be seen at colliders at current operating energies. The see-saw mechanism where light neutrino masses are related to heavy right-handed neutrino masses via
[tex]M_\text{light} \simeq \frac{\langle\phi\rangle^2}{M_\text{heavy}}[/tex]
where [tex]\langle\phi\rangle[/tex] is the electroweak breaking VEV which is about 174GeV, tells us that if [tex]M_\text{light} \sim 0.1 \,\text{eV}[/tex] then that implies a [tex]M_\text{heavy}[/tex] of the order of [tex]10^{14}\,\text{GeV}[/tex] which is 100,000,000,000 times higher in energy than the current colliders can reach. :smile:
 
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mjsd said:
not necessarily, because you can have a majorana mass term consisting of only one type of neutrino field: [tex](\nu_L)^c \nu_L \Delta[/tex] but to make this term (after spontaneous symmetry breaking) to be invariant under the unbroken gauge group (SU(3) color and U(1) electric charge), then you need [tex]\Delta[/tex] to be a triplet field under weak-SU(2). So you can do without the right handed neutrino [tex]\nu_R[/tex] but have to introduce a new scalar field [tex]\Delta[/tex] to the Standard Model instead to give neutrino a mass.

Actually, if you allow for non-renormalizable operators in the SM (coming from a GUT theory, for example) then you immediately get a Majorana mass without adding anything (no new scalars)! In fact, the UNIQUE(!) dimension-5 operator will do it:

[tex]\mathcal{L}_5=\frac{c}{M}(HL)^2[/tex]

where L is the lepton doublet and H is the Higgs doublet, and c is some dimensionless coupling, and M is the UV scale where the SM breaks down (GUT scale, for instance). When you set H equal to its vev, then this will become a Majorana mass for the left handed neutrino, whose value is the same as what you'd expect from the see-saw mechanism. No RH neutrinos necessary. No new scalars necessary.
 
blechman said:
Actually, if you allow for non-renormalizable operators in the SM (coming from a GUT theory, for example) then you immediately get a Majorana mass without adding anything (no new scalars)! In fact, the UNIQUE(!) dimension-5 operator will do it:

yes, perhaps it would be a good idea to point this out to the OP as well.
hope I didn't confuse anyone.
 

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