Neutrino Oscillations and Mass

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around neutrino oscillations, specifically addressing whether these oscillations can occur if the three standard model neutrinos possess the same mass. Participants explore the implications of mass differences on oscillation phenomena and the relationship between neutrino mass and their classification as massless or massive particles.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that neutrino oscillations require different masses for the three standard model neutrinos, as oscillations depend on phase differences arising from mass differences.
  • Others argue that if all three mass eigenstates had the same mass, oscillations would not occur, emphasizing that non-zero mass differences are necessary for oscillation parameters.
  • There is a suggestion that one mass eigenstate could potentially be massless, although this raises questions about the assumptions in standard derivations that typically require rest frames for all mass eigenstates.
  • Some participants assert that having one massless neutrino is theoretically acceptable and can be found in certain models, such as the type I seesaw mechanism with only two right-handed neutrinos.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of mass eigenstates being massless and the conditions necessary for neutrino oscillations. There is no consensus on whether a massless neutrino is permissible or how it affects oscillation behavior.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of mass eigenstates and their implications for neutrino behavior, but these assumptions remain unresolved. The relationship between mass differences and oscillation parameters is a focal point of contention.

Trixie Mattel
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Hello

Just wondering, would neutrino oscillations occur is the three standard model neutrinos were the same mass?

or are different masses needed in order to have different phases differences, as the phases differences are why the oscillations occur?Also why do neutrino oscillations prove that neutrinos are not massless. Is it because the weak eigenstates are a linear superposition of mass eigenstates?Thank you
 
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Trixie Mattel said:
Just wondering, would neutrino oscillations occur is the three standard model neutrinos were the same mass?
If all three mass eigenstates have the same mass, there are no oscillations. The oscillation parameters depend on the differences between the squared masses. You have to have non-zero differences for oscillations.

One mass eigenstate could be massless, but that would be odd - it is expected that all three mass eigenstates have a non-zero mass, but currently we are sure only for two of them.
 
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mfb said:
One mass eigenstate could be massless

Can it? I think the standard derivation assumes that all three mass eigenstates have rest frames. There may be some other way to approach it without this assumption.
 
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As far as I know it is no problem to have one mass at exactly zero instead of a very small mass. @Orodruin knows it for sure.
 
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It is perfectly fine to have one massless neutrino. It occurs in some (admittedly odd) models, eg, type I seesaw with only two righthanded neutrinos.
 
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