Neutron Stabilization mechanism?

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The discussion revolves around the stability of neutrons within atomic nuclei compared to their instability when isolated. Participants explore the mechanisms of binding forces, particularly the strong and weak forces, and how these influence neutron decay. The conversation also touches on related particles like muons and tau particles, and their stability in bound states.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what makes neutrons stable within the nucleus, suggesting that binding forces may play a role.
  • One participant explains that an isolated neutron decays to a proton because this decay is energetically favorable, depending on the mass energy comparison with the resulting nucleus.
  • Another participant notes that protons can undergo reverse beta decay into neutrons if that reaction is energetically favorable, indicating a dependence on whether the reaction is exothermic or endothermic.
  • Questions arise about how individual neutrons "know" the configuration of the nucleus, with some suggesting that decay can be viewed as a process involving the entire nucleus rather than isolated particles.
  • A participant introduces a deeper inquiry into the decay process at the quark level, referencing the role of the entire bound system in determining decay likelihood.
  • There is a discussion about the stability of muonium and tauonium compared to their constituent particles, with some arguing that electromagnetic interactions do not significantly influence their decay rates.
  • One participant uses an analogy comparing the neutron's stability in a nucleus to being in a confined space, suggesting that the nucleus provides a stabilizing environment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the stability of neutrons and related particles, with no consensus reached on the mechanisms involved or the implications of these interactions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how binding forces influence stability and decay processes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the energetic considerations of decay processes and the role of binding forces, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions or the complexities involved in these interactions.

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If a neutron is unstable outside the nucleus, then what makes it stable within the nucleus? Does the binding of particles together somehow make them stable?

Neutrons decay via the weak force, but are bound in the nucleus by the strong force. Does the strong force inhibit the weak force?

Are muonium and tauonium more stable than muons and tau particles, respectively?
 
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bsaucer said:
If a neutron is unstable outside the nucleus, then what makes it stable within the nucleus? Does the binding of particles together somehow make them stable?
An isolated neutron decays to a proton because the decay is energetically possible - the neutron has more mass energy than the proton.

To ask whether the decay of a neutron within a nucleus is energetically possible, you have to compare the total mass energy of the original nucleus to that of the daughter nucleus having one more proton and one fewer neutron. Sometimes this is not favorable. Sometimes it is, in which case the nucleus undergoes beta decay, emitting an electron and an antineutrino.
 
Some times in a nucleus you will have protons reverse beta decay into neutrons. That will happen when that reverse reaction is the one that is energetically favorable. It all depends on whether the reaction is exothermic which can happen spontaneously or whether it is endothermic in which case an external energy source is required.
 
So, how does the individual neutron "know" about the rest of the nucleus, as far as how many protons and neutrons it has?
 
bsaucer said:
So, how does the individual neutron "know" about the rest of the nucleus, as far as how many protons and neutrons it has?
Think of it as a decay of the entire nucleus. There's no way to identify which neutron decayed. All the particles in the nucleus are constantly exchanging energy with each other.
 
bsaucer said:
So, how does the individual neutron "know" about the rest of the nucleus, as far as how many protons and neutrons it has?
You can ask the same question on a deeper level, as it is possible to describe beta decay as "down-quark goes to up-quark plus electron plus antineutrino". How does the down-quark in a free proton "know" that it cannot decay? Bill_K gave the answer: it is a decay of the whole bound system.

Are muonium and tauonium more stable than muons and tau particles, respectively?
Those are just bound by the electromagnetic interaction, it is not strong enough to influence the decays in any relevant way. "True muonium" (##\mu^+ \mu^-##) is different, it would almost always annihilate long before the muons decay.
 
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bsaucer said:
So, how does the individual neutron "know" about the rest of the nucleus, as far as how many protons and neutrons it has?

The same way a photon knows when there are two open slits in the double slit experiment.
 
bsaucer said:
If a neutron is unstable outside the nucleus, then what makes it stable within the nucleus?

Standing alone, you would fall if you relax and stop maintaining your balance. But if locked into a 0.5x0.5 room, you can't fall.

Nucleaus is a "room" for the neutron.
 

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