Newbie problem about <a|b> and |a> <b|

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical formalism of quantum mechanics, specifically the interpretation and implications of Dirac notation involving states and operators, such as |ψ⟩, ⟨ρ|, and their integral representations. Participants explore the relationship between these notations and their applications in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that ⟨ψ|ρ⟩ represents a number and can be expressed as an integral over the universe, specifically ∫ψ(x)ρ(x)dx.
  • Another participant explains that |ψ⟩⟨ρ| is an operator that transforms one quantum state into another, with a specific relationship to the inner product ⟨ρ|θ⟩.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that Dirac's bracket formalism allows |ψ⟩⟨ρ| to denote an operator acting on both the Hilbert space and its dual, indicating it does not have a direct integral form.
  • Another participant proposes a representation of ⟨ψ|ρ⟩ that involves an integral with an unspecified operation, indicating a more complex interaction.
  • One participant draws an analogy to matrix algebra, explaining that a bra and ket can be viewed as vectors, with bra times ket yielding a number and ket times bra yielding a matrix, suggesting a parallel with Dirac's notation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether |ψ⟩⟨ρ| has an integral form, with some asserting it does not while others provide interpretations that suggest a more complex relationship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive nature of these representations.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the states and operators involved, as well as the dependence on the choice of Hilbert space. The mathematical steps leading to the interpretations are not fully resolved.

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my teacher said this means the integral of psi* rho dx

but how about the |psi> <rho|?
does it hv a integral form?

thx for any help!
 
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[tex]\left<\psi||\rho\right>[/tex]
is a number. It is, as you say, the integral
[tex]\int \psi(x)\rho(x)dx[/tex]
integrated over the "universe".

[tex]|\psi\left>\right<\rho|[/tex]
is an operator that changes one quantum state into another. Specifically, it changes the state [itex]\left|\phi\right>[/itex] into [itex]a\left|\psi\right>[/itex] where a is the number
[tex]\left<\rho||\theta\right>[/tex].
 
The advantage of using Dirac's bracket formalism is that by [itex]|\psi\rangle\langle\rho|[/itex] you denote both an operator acting on the Hilbert space and on its dual (or both on kets and bras). It doesn't have an explicit integral form (the integrals actually appear when the abstract Hilbert space is chosen to be [itex]L^2(\Omega, dx)[/itex]).
 
You might think of [tex]\langle \psi | \rho \rangle[/tex] as representing something like

[tex]\psi(x) \int dy [\rho^\star(y) \bullet ][/tex]

where the dot gets filled in with whatever [tex]\langle \rho |[/tex] acts on.
 
pliu123123 said:
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my teacher said this means the integral of psi* rho dx

but how about the |psi> <rho|?
does it hv a integral form?

thx for any help!
If you are familiar with matrix algebra, you can think of a bra as a row vector and a ket as a column vector. Then bra times ket gives a number, while ket times bra gives a matrix.
Dirac's notation is essentially an infinite-dimensional version of this, where sums are replaced by integrals.
 
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