Newton's laws are the foundation stone of modern day mechanical engineering

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The discussion centers around the significance of Newton's laws in modern mechanical engineering, exploring their foundational role and the relevance of other principles in the field. Participants share their perspectives on the importance of Newton's laws compared to other historical contributions to mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Newton's laws are fundamental to mechanical engineering, citing their application in various subjects such as dynamics and fluid mechanics.
  • Others express skepticism about the primacy of Newton's laws, suggesting that laws of friction, attributed to Da Vinci, are more critical to the practice of mechanical engineering.
  • A participant humorously critiques Newton's contributions, stating that gravity is undesirable and questioning the necessity of Newton's inventions.
  • Some participants highlight that classical mechanics, which includes Newton's laws, forms the basis of most engineering disciplines, while noting that quantum mechanics and relativity are generally not covered in their studies.
  • Historical context is provided by mentioning that significant mechanical concepts predate Newton, including the law of the lever, which was known to the Greeks and rigorously proven by Archimedes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the importance of Newton's laws, with multiple competing views presented regarding their foundational status in mechanical engineering and the relevance of other historical laws and principles.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference the historical development of mechanics and the contributions of figures like Archimedes and Galileo, indicating that the understanding of mechanical principles has evolved over time and is influenced by earlier works.

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"Newton's laws are the foundation stone of modern day mechanical engineering."

Do you agree? Why?
 
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hi anb2020! welcome to pf! :wink:

tell us what you think, and then we'll comment! :smile:
 
I agree of course .. I'm a mechanical engineering student ..
Most of our studies are based on Newton's laws ..
Dynamics, Fluid mechanics, Vibrations, Kinematics, ...

But I want to hear what you think : )
 
anb2020 said:
But I want to hear what you think : )

I think Newton sucks :rolleyes:
 
Well I'd say that the laws of friction (Da Vinci) are more important to mechanical engineering than N1, N2 and N3. Little mech eng would be possible without friction.

Now can you tell us any other laws of importance in mech eng, some going back to the Ancient Greeks?

By the way my charges for answering your homework question here are $1,000,000 - I need that to bribe Greg for the infraction. Don't post homework here, post it in the proper place next time.
 
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:approve:dont forget Newton's law of cooling,and his grand work in maths
 
Those crazy mech E's: always neglecting to take relativity into account in their calculations. It's a wonder anything works...

...oh wait, no it isn't. :wink:
 
Studiot said:
Well I'd say that the laws of friction (Da Vinci) are more important to mechanical engineering than N1, N2 and N3. Little mech eng would be possible without friction.

Now can you tell us any other laws of importance in mech eng, some going back to the Ancient Greeks?

By the way my charges for answering your homework question here are $1,000,000 - I need that to bribe Greg for the infraction. Don't post homework here, post it in the proper place next time.

It's not a Homework ..
I discussed this with one of my classmates and I want to hear more opinions ..
 
Well you've had several ideas here.

What do you make of them?
 
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Personally, I think gravity sucks.
Newton should never have invented it...
 
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anb2020 said:
"Newton's laws are the foundation stone of modern day mechanical engineering."

Do you agree? Why?

anb2020 said:
I agree of course .. I'm a mechanical engineering student ..
Most of our studies are based on Newton's laws ..
Dynamics, Fluid mechanics, Vibrations, Kinematics, ...

But I want to hear what you think : )
Generally when I think of Newton's laws, I think of his laws of motion.
First law: If an object experiences no net force, then its velocity is constant: the object is either at rest (if its velocity is zero), or it moves in a straight line with constant speed (if its velocity is nonzero).[2][3][4]
Second law: The acceleration a of a body is parallel and directly proportional to the net force F acting on the body, is in the direction of the net force, and is inversely proportional to the mass m of the body, i.e., F = ma.
Third law: When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = −F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.
Ref: Wikipedia,[/PLAIN] Newton's Laws of Motion

But it sounds like you're really thinking about "Newtonian mechanics" which I think is generally interpreted as being the same as Classical mechanics. For example:
The initial stage in the development of classical mechanics is often referred to as Newtonian mechanics, and is associated with the physical concepts employed by and the mathematical methods invented by Newton himself, in parallel with Leibniz, and others.
Ref: Wikipedia, Classical mechanics

Mechanical engineering, and perhaps most engineering majors, are founded on classical mechanics. We don't generally get into quantum mechanics or relativity, which I think would be the other major categories.
 
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Q_Goest said:
Mechanical engineering, and perhaps most engineering majors, are founded on classical mechanics. We don't generally get into quantum mechanics or relativity, which I think would be the other major categories.

Exactly!

and Newton's laws of motion are three physical laws that form the basis for classical mechanics! (wikipedia)

So I guess you agree with me!
 
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anb2020 said:
and Newton's laws of motion are three physical laws that form the basis for classical mechanics! (wikipedia)
Quite a bit of mechanics preceeded Newton:

A simple machine is an elementary device that has a specific movement (often called a mechanism), which can be combined with other devices and movements to form a machine. Thus simple machines are considered to be the "building blocks" of more complicated machines. This analytical view of machines as decomposable into simple machines first arose in the Renaissance as a neoclassical amplification of ancient Greek texts on technology,[5] and is still a central part of engineering in today's age of applied science. For example, wheels, levers, and pulleys are all used in the mechanism of a bicycle.[6][7] Between the simple machines and complex assemblies, several intermediate classes can be defined, which may be termed "compound machines"[8][3][9] or "machine elements".[10] The mechanical advantage of a compound machine is simply the product of the mechanical advantages of the simple machines of which it is composed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_machine

This is the law of the lever, which was proven by Archimedes using geometric reasoning.[2] It shows that if the distance a from the fulcrum to where the input force is applied (point A) is greater than the distance b from fulcrum to where the output force is applied (point B), then the lever amplifies the input force. If the distance from the fulcrum to the input force is less than from the fulcrum to the output force, then the lever reduces the input force. Recognizing the profound implications and practicalities of the law of the lever, Archimedes has been famously attributed with the quotation "Give me a place to stand and with a lever I will move the whole world."[3]


In Principia, after introducing the three laws, Newton proceeds to a review of the received knowledge of simple machines and the Law of the Lever.

The Law of the Lever was actually known to the Greeks long before Archimedes, but he wrote the first rigorous proof of it.

Galileo wrote a treatise called On Mechanics in which he debunked then common misunderstandings about the Law of the Lever that were current at the time, specifically the notion that a lever allowed you to cheat nature and get increased strength for nothing.
 

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