Nim Game: Find Proof for D > A, E > B, F > C

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Nim game, specifically exploring the conditions under which the relationships D > A, E > B, and F > C hold true, given the definitions of the Nim-sum and its implications for three piles of objects labeled A, B, and C. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and theoretical exploration related to game theory.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines the Nim-sum as X and presents equations relating the piles: A + X = D, B + X = E, C + X = F.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "Nim-sum" and suggests that if X > 0, then it must follow that D > A, E > B, and F > C.
  • A different participant expresses uncertainty about the definition of Nim-sum and proposes that the question may be asking if the Nim-sum can be negative.
  • A later reply references Wikipedia to clarify that Nim-sum is an operation used in game theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding about the Nim-sum and its implications. There is no consensus on whether D > A, E > B, and F > C can be proven or if the Nim-sum can be negative.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions and implications of the Nim-sum, as well as the assumptions underlying the relationships between D, E, F, A, B, and C.

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Hi all, ok there are 3 piles containing objects; Pile A, Pile B and Pile C.

Let the Nim-sum of all 3 piles be denoted as X.

Let Pile A and Pile B and Pile C contain objects.
( In Nim-Sum )

A + X = D

B + X = E

C + X = F

As we are currently in research of a math project, we are wondering if there is a case whereby D > A, E > B, and F > C. If not, what is the proof?
 
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Perhaps I am not understanding the question. The number of objects in each pile are A, B, C respectively. What do you mean by "Nim-sum"? Certainly if X> 0 then it must be the case that D> A, E> B, and F> C.
 
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Hi all, ok there are 3 piles containing objects; Pile A, Pile B and Pile C.

Let the Nim-sum of all 3 piles be denoted as X.

Let Pile A and Pile B and Pile C contain objects.
( In Nim-Sum )

A + X = D

B + X = E

C + X = F

As we are currently in research of a math project, we are wondering if there is a case whereby D > A, E > B, and F > C. If not, what is the proof?

I don't know what a Nim-Sum is, but from what you have
[tex]D>A\Leftrightarrow E>B\Leftrightarrow F>C\Leftrightarrow X>0[/tex]

so you're just asking if the Nim-Sum is always negative. Well, define it for us and we'll see!
 
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According to wikipedia, a nim-sum is an operation used in game theory.
 

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