No Rational Roots of $x^n+\cdots+1=0$

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The discussion centers around the equation $\displaystyle \frac{x^n}{n!}+\frac{x^{n-1}}{(n-1)!}\cdots+\frac{x^2}{2!}+\frac{x^1}{1!}+1=0$ and the assertion that it has no rational roots for any integer $n>1$. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof exploration.

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  • Some participants propose that the equation has no rational roots, suggesting a need for proof.
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Participants generally agree on the assertion that the equation has no rational roots, but the discussion remains unresolved as no proof has been presented.

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(BGR,1989) Prove that for any integer $n>1$ the equation $\displaystyle \frac{x^n}{n!}+\frac{x^{n-1}}{(n-1)!}\cdots+\frac{x^2}{2!}+\frac{x^1}{1!}+1=0$ has no rational roots.
 
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melese said:
(BGR,1989) Prove that for any integer $n>1$ the equation $\displaystyle \frac{x^n}{n!}+\frac{x^{n-1}}{(n-1)!}\cdots+\frac{x^2}{2!}+\frac{x^1}{1!}+1=0$ has no rational roots.
$\displaystyle \frac{x^n}{n!}+\frac{x^{n-1}}{(n-1)!}\cdots+\frac{x^2}{2!}+\frac{x^1}{1!}+1=0----(*)$
if n=2 then we have :$x^2+2x+2=0$ no real solution
if m is a solution of original equation then m<0
multiply both sides with n ! we obtain :
$x^n+nx^{n-1}+-----+n! x+ n!=0$
using "the rational zero theorem"
if the original equation has a rational solution m<0 then n! must be a multiple of it(m is a negative integer)
replacing x with any negative factor of n! to (*)will not be zero ,so no rational root exists
in fact :
---+$\displaystyle \frac{x^n}{n!}+\frac{x^{n-1}}{(n-1)!}\cdots+\frac{x^2}{2!}+\frac{x^1}{1!}+1=e^x$
[FONT=&#32048](Maclaurin expasion of $e^x$)
 
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I agreed with you up to
Albert said:
replacing x with any negative factor of n! to (*)will not be zero
This part is a little vauge to me. To see what I mean, what if my orginal question was to show that there are no integer solutions? - Then your step appears hasty.
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Albert said:
$\displaystyle \frac{x^n}{n!}+\frac{x^{n-1}}{(n-1)!}\cdots+\frac{x^2}{2!}+\frac{x^1}{1!}+1=0----(*)$
if n is even and m (a negative integer ) is a root then (*) becomes
$\displaystyle \frac{m^n}{n!}+\frac{m^{n-2}}{(n-2)!}\cdots+\frac{m^2}{2!}+1$
$- \dfrac{k^{n-1}}{(n-1)!}- \dfrac{k^{n-3}}{(n-3)!}\cdots-\dfrac{k}{1!}$
will not be zero,(the calculation is very tedious)
here k=-m is a positive integer
likewise if n is odd then (*) becomes
$\displaystyle -\frac{k^n}{n!}-\frac{k^{n-2}}{(n-2)!}\cdots-\frac{k^2}{2!}+1$
$+ \dfrac{m^{n-1}}{(n-1)!}+ \dfrac{m^{n-3}}{(n-3)!}\cdots+\dfrac{m}{1!}$
also will not be zero
so there is no integer root for original equation
 
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