##1^x =2## has complex solutions?

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There's a Youtube video claiming ##1^x=2## has solutions ##x= \frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi n}## with ##n \in \mathbb{Z}## and ##n \neq 0##. Is this solid?
The Youtuber 'Blackpenredpen' claims that ##1^x=2## has solutions ##x= \frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi n}## with ##n \in \mathbb{Z}## and ##n \neq 0##. someone else in a forum claims that because ##1^x## is not injective there are more solution branches and this solution mixes these branches somehow. Who is right?

Also, 'Blackpenredpen' does not show that ##1^{ \frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi n}}## is indeed equal to 2. He kind of waved it away with 'something something infinite amount of solutions but one of them is 2'. Is this correct?

 
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Let's see.
##1=e^{2\pi i}##.
Take for example ##n=1, x=\frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi}##.
We get
##1^x=(e^{2\pi i})^{\frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi}}=e^{(2\pi i)(\frac{-i \ln(2)}{2\pi})}=e^{ln(2)}=2##.
Looks right.

(Sorry, I don't watch videos.)
 
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Logarithm has many solutions if you do not take the principal branch.

$$\log(1)=0, 2 \pi i, 4\pi i,....$$
and so on. This video plays on that
 
For ##n=2## I'd take ##1=e^{4 \pi i}##, etc.
I also
fresh_42 said:
want to know how ##1^x## is defined.
I remember the general definition, ##z^w=e^{w log(z)}##.
 
For those that did not watch the video, here it the derivation. Start with
$$1^x=2$$
Take the logarithm
$$\log(1^x)=\log2$$
Here is heavy lifting part:
$$x=\frac{\log2}{\log1}$$
Then wait that's dividing by zero unless:
$$x=\frac{\log2}{\log(e^{i(0+2\pi n)})}=\frac{-i \log2}{2 \pi n},\forall n\in\mathbb{Z}/0$$
 
Let's see. I made the mistake of assuming that ##x## is real in my previous posts, sorry.

Say ##x=a+ib.##
\begin{align*}
1=e^{2\pi i}&\Longrightarrow 1^x=1^a \cdot 1^{ib}=e^{-2b\pi }=2\\
& \Longrightarrow b = n\cdot i -\dfrac{\log(2)}{2\pi}\;(n\in \mathbb{Z})
\end{align*}
##a## can obviously be any real number so ##x=a -\dfrac{\log(2)}{2\pi}\cdot i## if I didn't make a mistake again.
 
Well, within a branch logz of the log, which is a local inverse, ##z^w=e^{w logz}##. Branches are( can be seen as) vertical strips of width ##2\pi^{-}##, or ##[z_0, z_0+ 2\pi)##. Within any of these, the log is in bijection with ##\mathbb C-{0}##.

Then , within that branch:
##1^x=e^{x log(1)}=e^{xlog(ln|1|+iarg(1))}##. Then it all depends on what value of arg is assigned at ##z=1##. Which ,in this setup, would be within ##[ik2\pi, i(k+1)2\pi)##. We then just need an interval ##[iy, iy+2\pi)## containing the value ##iln2##

Or, within a slightly different setup, we use
##re^{i\theta}=r(cos(\theta)+isin(\theta))##
So it seems within a value of ##\theta=cos^{-1}(ln2)##.

Maybe you can argue that ##1^z:=e^{zln(1)}##, is Analytic and thus we can use the mean value to show it assumes the value ##2##.
 
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